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Xi is panicking watching the effectiveness of Ukraine's oil sanctions program. Xi Thought twice about his invasion plans.
The real reason Ukraine and Taiwan are a threat to Russia and China is because their close proximity and cultural connections allow their people to see the benefits of democracy up close. Authoritarians hate when reality threatens their plans.
LOL.
Harvard University studied Chinese sentiment for 15 years and determined that 95.5% of Chinese people approve of their government. You think the people of China live under a grinding authoritarian dictatorship and hate the conditions but still approve?
Chinese people make up over 20% of international tourism. You think they don't see what is happening in other countries?
You live in a fantasy land.
Yeah, the 95% approval rating is a famous study. Sure, what else would Chinese people express other than approval of their government if and when asked? Everyone who even slightly criticizes the Chinese Communist Party would forcibly disappear.
However, when Chinese citizens are surveyed anonymously, support for party and government plummets.
Chinese citizens who rarely voice open criticism of their government reveal stronger negative views when they can answer questions anonymously, according to a new study published in The China Quarterly.
The study by researchers at the USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences shows an enormous drop in citizen support for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and government policies when citizens are surveyed using a method that hides their identities and makes them feel more anonymous than a typical survey.
Again. Living in a fantasy world. People in China criticize the party all the time. There are protests all over the country. Hell, there are protests in Xinjiang. And they're live streamed, recorded and posted, and no one is being disappeared for that.
Reading this report from Cambridge is very much like reading clear popaganda. It claims to be an impartial journal, but the first thing it does is it uses the incorrect name of the party. The party's official name is the Communist Party of China, which follows a long tradition of communist party naming convention. The journal uses the Chinese Communist Party, which is not the name of the party.
Then it says that the Harvard study "routinely appears in Chinese propaganda", as though a 15 year study conducted by one of the most prestigious universities in the world is somehow to be doubted as Chinese propaganda. This is not missed.
It then uses the phrase "tendency for citizens in an autocracy to conceal political opinions". Again, not missed. China is not an autocracy. It is a bureaucracy. A vast bureaucracy. Xi does not wield absolute power. He was elected in parliamentary process. Hu was not an autocrat. Jiang was not an autocrat. Xi didn't abolish the bureaucracy. Xi didn't abolish local governments. The idea that China is an autocracy makes me think these authors have no integrity whatsoever.
Further, the list experiments in this report conflate willingness to protest with non-support of the party. I think it's obvious that this is a contrived conclusion. There are protests all over the world by people who support their government.
"the survey as administered through the internet" and "recruited approximately 2000 people".
The Harvard study included face to face interviews and covered more than 31k people in both urban and rural settings.
This report you've linked certainly requires follow up but it absolutely does not invalidate the work of the Ash Center.
I'm surprised that number isn't higher... Like 105%
Why, because you think Harvard would spend 15 years producing propaganda for China?
An approval number in the 90s is strong evidence of authoritarian control. Look up Stephen Hasan's freedom of mind resource center.
I want you to try to imagine something.
75 years ago, it was 1951. In 1951, the US was undergoing a technological revolution while it bombed the shit out of and occupied various countries around the world. In 1951, the average Chinese citizen was living off a $1/month. It was a peasant society.
In those 75 years, the US has seen massive technological improvements while simultaneously seeing massive increases in homelessness and economic precarity.
In those same 75 years, Chinese rice farming peasants became able to purchase and drive the world's most advanced electric cars. Homeownership rates in China are 50% higher than in the US.
There are 40 million people in China over the age of 75. Meaning they personally experienced the most rapid industrialization and economic development in the history of humanity. Edit: Let me be very clear. There are 40M people in China who went from an average of living in a peasant society on $1/month to driving electric cars.
I dunno. I kind of think that's a good reason to be happy with your government. I think if your whole family lives in multigenerational housing that you own, where poverty and homeless has been on a steady decline, where technological advancements make your lives better for 7 decades in a row, and where your elders are saying that things have literally never been better in their entire lives, that you're generally going to have a much higher approval rating than anything in the West.
Stephen Has[s]an
Is a psychologist who used to belong to a cult and has an axe to grind, which he has been grinding in Western society studying cults within Western society. His story is like reading Plato's allegory of the cave. He escaped one level of mental control and entered into Western society. Now he critiques cults against the backdrop of Western society as "normal" but doesn't ever critique Western society as pathologically and fundamentally, which it clearly and most assuredly is. He even wrote a book about the mental health harm of "Eastern Religions". Like, how much more do you need to know about the guy to understand his work has very limited applicability and certainly can't be easily transplanted to cultures he's never been a part of nor applied to things like national psychology for populations larger than anything he's ever studied before?
The article misses the point that it is the mainland China that is aggressive. But this teenage tankies are warmongering it seems.
The CPC hasn't dropped a bomb since 1989. Taiwan's decades-long "security partner" just kidnapped a head of state, killed 80 people, and used cyber warfare to shutdown the power grid of the capital city.
China is not worried about the island of Taiwan attacking. It is worried about the island of Taiwan being a base of operations for the most bloodthirsty psychotic belligerent on the planet.
China is not worried about the island of Taiwan attacking.
Nah, but Taiwan must be worried of China attacking, dude.
Ah yes, because Taiwan really is a threat to China. Watch out they're going to launch an unprovoked offensive on mainland soon just like Ukraine totally was a threat to Russia as well before the invasion.
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Edit: The early quick downvotes just prove the tankies are strong here
The CPC hasn't dropped a bomb since 1989. Taiwan's decades-long "security partner" just kidnapped a head of state, killed 80 people, and used cyber warfare to shutdown the power grid of the capital city.
China is not worried about the island of Taiwan attacking. It is worried about the island of Taiwan being a base of operations for the most bloodthirsty psychotic belligerent on the planet.
Ah yes, the fallacy that China is good because the US is bad. Just don't look at the widespread human rights violations, or the Uyghurs, or Tibet, or how they're bullying many South China Sea countries and actively stealing their exclusive economic zones. Just mentioning those things anywhere CCP controlled will get your banned, even arrested.
We all know that the only reason why the CCP is angry at Taiwan gaining the ability to strike mainland is that it suddenly makes an invasion of Taiwan much more costly for them.
Ah yes, the fallacy that China is good because the US is bad.
That's not what the words you read meant. Let's got through it:
Just don’t look at the widespread human rights violations
This is a whataboutism. I say China doesn't want the US to attack it via the island of Taiwan. You say "but what about the widespread human rights violations". It's completely irrelevant to the discussion. Don't distract.
But also, when it comes to human rights, the US is clearly the one violating far more human rights and in a far more "widespread" way.
the Uyghurs
You mean the people undergoing a "genocide" but also had an increase in population every year? You mean the people undergoing a "genocide" where there is absolutely no evidence available for such a claim while we're watching a real genocide happen in real time on live TV? You mean in Xinjiang where cell phone videos of protests are easily findable anywhere online but there's not a single cell phone video showing anything that could possibly even look like genocidal behavior? You mean the people undergoing a "genocide" that have been observed by over 50 countries and not one of them has condemned the conditions in Xinjiang, but one German christo-fascist who misrepresented medical records, believes birth control is murder, and used satellite images to estimate deaths is controlling the entire narrative? Yeah, I've looked into the Uyghurs
Tibet
You mean the province that was a protectorate of dynastic China after the Mongols destroyed them? You mean the province that claimed independence when the Chinese dynasty fell and then enslaved 95% of their population and tortured and murdered their people under the guise of "culture"? You mean the province that China liberated from the theocratic aristocracy and then gave control of its government back to the people of Tibet? You mean the clearest shining example of "One Country Two Systems" that the world has ever seen, where the supposed "oppressed" people of Tibet use their own language to educate, govern, and conduct business, where Tibetan cultural practices are celebrated and promoted, and where the people of Tibet are protected against the decades of attempts by the US to create bloodshed by training terrorists and literally airlifting them into the province to kill and destroy? That Tibet?
how they’re bullying many South China Sea countries
You mean bullying like telling people to stay out of the waters and not bullying like committing war crimes by executing double tap strikes against fishing boats or seizing oil right? Because I agree China is bullying people in the SCS, but clearly if the choice is between China controlling the SCS and the US having military presence in the SCS, I'll pick China every goddamned day.
Just mentioning those things anywhere CCP controlled will get your banned, even arrested.
Really? Mentioning Tibet gets you arrested? Or is it protesting for the restoration of a brutal theocratic monarchy that enslaved 95% of the population? Because people talk about Tibet in China all the time. They have to. It's part of China. But yeah, demanding that China "Free Tibet" is going to get you about as arrested as protestors in the Western world demanding a free Gaza.
We all know that the only reason why the CCP is angry at Taiwan gaining the ability to strike mainland is that they don’t want them to fight back and be able to bring the fight to their territory in case of an invasion.
"It is known!"
"I don't agree with great Satan, but I believe all of his lies"
This is you. This is what you sound like. China has been clear for 50 years that peaceful reunification is the foundation of their policy and they openly talk about the fact that a forced reunification will create resentment and resistance. The people on Taiwan are part of China, and the Chinese government is fully aware that violence against them would be seen by the population of China as violence against their brothers and sisters. The only reason China is worried about violence on Taiwan is because of the USA's century of violent belligerence and constant use of proxies to launch conflicts.
What "we all know" is that your read on the world is entirely informed by propaganda.
I'm not going to waste time trying to discuss anything with OP because I now know what he is.
Notice how that wall of text came in mere minutes after my reply, way too quickly for someone to type it all. Notice how OP accuses me of whataboutism even though he has been partaking in it before and then proceeded to immediately laying the whataboutism thick right afterwards. Notice how everything he said reads like a pre-written propaganda text that completely circumvents any point it was trying to discuss and starts every "argument" with CCP-friendly assertions such as that the exclusive economic zones of other countries that China claims is theirs to begin with. Notice how he sounds like Putin when he went on that long rant explaining why he thinks Ukraine belongs to Russia. Trying to even suggest that US plans an invasion of China (something that even for the US military would be impossible) to paint themselves as a victim is the cherry on top.
Now you also know what OP is.
LOL. Anyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill or a bot.
How fragile your world view is.
It is actually pretty well developed. I've been in all sorts of communities with different mentalities and have seen enough to tell when someone lists propaganda points like they're gospel and expects people to just believe them.
I've also seen for myself the BS they've been doing in the air and at sea and how they create situations to spin for propaganda after. You can't pretend it's not happening I know it's real.
So you can continue copying and pasting prepared bad faith responses that don't even address the points I make all you want and sound all pissy and angry to your heart's content, I ain't partaking in it. I made my point already and no one else is reading this anymore and we've already established that you're a lost cause of a tankie.
So well developed you can't imagine someone typing all text I typed in comment. I think maybe your "well developed" worldview might be lacking in some basics.
China is not worried about the island of Taiwan attacking.
Nah, but Taiwan must be worried of China attacking, dude.