a little question about ai slop and the impact it may or may NOT have on future generations. : socialism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AI is a tool with certain use cases. Under capitalism, it's used as a vessel for investment and is thrown into everything like a broken, false panacea. Under socialism, it's already being used to help identify patterns, automate production, and is seen more as infrastructure. The over-application of AI to areas it does not meaningfully aid, and in many cases is a detriment, is an issue far larger in capitalism than socialism.

The importance of education and cultural hegemony isn't in the tools themselves, necessarily, but in the class struggle of the state. AI wasn't needed for bourgeois hegemony and fascism in the US Empire, the bourgeoisie used the tools they had. We fight this by mastering the tools they use and correctly agitating among the people for better.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

the weirdest part is that ai slop is also being used for stuff like films, tv shows, commercials (yes, commercials - like in coca-cola and mcdonald's), merch, music, and even kids' material (like in youtube kids). there's gonna be a future generation of people who were raised on ai slop to a point where they CAN'T even tell if something's made by ai or NOT. seriously!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

Yep, it's presently being over-applied, but that doesn't mean that's permanent.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah its sick. And people don't even see it, which is scary. Im not susprised though. We said even when the internet began, dont trust it. We need to go back to not trusting it.

Hopefully the next Gen of kids do revolt against it, and i think they will. We need to keep reminding them what they were robbed of that we had (awesome internet, very few ads, media you actually own, no subscriptions, no data harvesting, no surveillance, not to mention less billionaires) otherwise they may assume life was always like this. Keep reminding them how great we had it, how the billionaires destroyed it, and how to get back to a better world in the future.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago (8 children)

We don't need to move the clock backwards, but forwards, into socialism. Life was not better evenly in the past, and we cannot simply "get it back." History progresses, and trying to move backwards is reactionary, rather than revolutionary.

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[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

how are we gonna teach all that to the next generation of kids who may be uninformed about it and say stuff like "what's a 'physical media'?"?

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Its not hard to teach kids not to be dumb.

When I was 6 I was already well informed on books, what a typewriter was, and what a phonograph was. (Both over 80 year old tech at that time.

I think if less people shoved an iPad in their kids face, it would help.

One very easy example to show the importance of owning media: unplug the router (and take away the phone, which kids shouldnt have either unless its just a flip) teach that subscriptions are just paying to use someone else's computer. Nothing more.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

well i started using a pc when i was a toddler, and i remember watching vhs tapes when i was a kid and such. seriously!

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Exactly! Its just a matter of teaching history really. Its of course easy for me to say because ive always loved learning about the history of everything and how things started.

Would be no different than a kid today playing forknight and having the curiosity to go huh I wonder how they made this game, and then I wonder how they made all the games before that, and wow, THATS how hard it was to make crash bandicoot? That's amazing!"

Really its just teaching them that learning and curiosity are good, and boredom is a good thing that leads you to discovery. The constant dinging and social media addiction of smartphones is a cancer.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

what if some kids sees unplugging the router and taking away the phone as a step too far in parenting?

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My reaction to that is theyre a spoiled brat. Seems harsh but I stand by it.

Theyre not entitled to a phone or internet.

However, I wouldn't frame it that way. There's really no need to do that if they are indeed using the tech for good. If all theyre doing is watching ai slop videos and brain rot and talking to bots online, then thats when id stop it and explain why.

It also helps to have a house full of fun stuff that requires no internet connectivity.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

is it weird to devote one's time to teaching kids about socialism/communism in their spare time? if so, do you have any reasons why?

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

Fascism isn’t a grassroots movement, it’s an astroturfed one, funded by the bourgeoisie. The problem isn’t the tool (AI) so much as the user and their goals. Bourgeois think tanks & media outlets, like for instance PragerU, are going to produce & distribute reactionary content regardless of what tools are available.

I think it’s best not to adopt this slang term for AI bots given its racist origins.

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It can be solved with vibes, of course, because that's the only thing you've presented here.

Why do you think a future generation raised by ai slop made by clankers would up supporting a future fascist regime in the US? Why do you think the last 200 years of the US hasn't already been a fascist regime? How does ai slop interact with the way fascism develops?

Give us some thing, comrade.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

🏆More patience than I’m usually able to muster.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

there has been an influx of ai slop on youtube kids, amazon and such. if ai slop continues to be put out at the current rate and more kids in the future gets exposed and more exposed to it, the film "idiocracy" would end up becoming true; an extremely corporate and consumerist society populated by people who think that art made by talented humans is 'nerdy' (a lot like how people in the film consider 21st century english as pompous and nerdy).

worst of all, ai is being used for hatefulness and such - more and more kids are gonna be exposed to ai slop to a point where they're NOT gonna tell if something is made using ai or NOT, and then they're gonna 'learn' about extreme conservative values through ai. all this is gonna culminate in their adult selves being fooled into supporting corporatism and fascism, and it's gonna culminate in the more hardline extreme republicans building a fascist regime.

oh and can you explain why the last 200 years of the us have been fascist, do you think i'm just throwing words together to form a coherent sentence, and do you think i should study socialist/communist theory a bit more? if so, do you have nay short material to study (with cowbee's method)?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago (23 children)

I can't respond to everything right now. But re: 200 years of fascism, check out Aimé Césaire. Here's an article about some of the ideas

https://medium.com/@malorynye/the-brutal-friendship-between-colonialism-and-fascism-some-thoughts-from-aim%C3%A9-c%C3%A9saire-on-9224e90550b5

Essentially think about fascism, imagine what you think it is, then think about the transatlantic slave trade and the genocide of the people of what we now call the Americas (named after an Italian, by the way) and think about how everyone in this hemisphere speaks a European language....

You know how we say shit like "without the allies we'd all be speaking German now"? Yeah. Why is everyone speaking one of the 4 colonizer languages in an entire hemisphere and why are hundreds of languages dead or dying here?

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[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So the cool new technology that allows the poors to make stuff they couldn't before will only ever be used to create fascist propaganda? If you really think this, help us change that, by using it yourself.

We can use the working class' numbers advantage to outpropaganda the enemy. Now that the skill floor is so low and the iteration speed so fast, the owning class' "more education access" and "more free time" advantages get greatly diminished.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

AI has nothing to do with fascism. It's a tool, and the left rejecting the use of this tool cedes this technology to fascists. Meanwhile, I would argue that what makes something slop or not is the intent behind it. Any piece of advertisement made by a human is far more slop than something generated using an LLM by a person genuinely wanting to express an idea in their head. We already live in a culture saturated by slop to the brim. You can't go outside without being assaulted by advertisements on every corner.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

is the solution collective ownership of the means of productions, as well as abolition of advertisting?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Ultimately that would be the goal, but we have to get there somehow from where we are today.

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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Current LLM technology would be a GREAT librarian or archivist.

If it was properly trained to give sources and only use existing texts for the basis of their answers, and they were trained on academic books, articles, manuals, blueprints etc.

You could download one to a computer or smartphone and have every village on earth be capable of building their own power sources, wells, learn about science etc etc.

It shouldnt try to be a “doer”, a coder, a marketer, a writer etc.

But it could basically be the best search engine for texts and guides ever.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i think ai should be used for quick web searching, recreational fun in the comfort of your home and such, but NOT for replacing human talent and NOT for profit (ie: the coca-cola and mcdonald's christmas ads). seriously!

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

The issue with “AI” as we have it is that capitalism exists and is the prevailing system around the world. That’s it. Like all tech basically. It only sucks because the worst people control it and use it to make themselves even more powerful.

Socialism