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There have been a lot of discussions and outcry in India recently over the central government's directive asking smartphone makers to pre-load its cyber safety app Sanchar Saathi on all new devices, and just when we thought that the dust had settled down since the government withdrew the mandate, we are now seeing a new report that could spark yet another debate in the country while raising security and privacy concerns.

According to Reuters, the Indian government is reviewing a proposal by the telecom industry to require smartphone companies to keep satellite location tracking enabled at all times for better tracking.

The report states the Indian government, for years, has been concerned about its agencies not getting precise locations when legal requests are made to telecom operators during investigations, and that's because the telecom firms are limited to using cellular tower data, which can be off by several meters since it can only provide an estimated area location.

Hence, the Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI), representing Reliance Jio and Bharti Airtel, proposed that the government order smartphone makers to activate A-GPS, which uses satellite signals and cellular data. This would require satellite tracking to remain active on smartphones at all times, with no option for users to disable it.

Apple, Samsung, and Google opposed this proposal and told the government that always-on satellite tracking should not be mandated, with the lobbying group India Cellular & Electronics Association (ICEA), representing Apple and Google, saying "A measure to track device-level location has no precedent anywhere else in the world," in a confidential letter to the Indian government in July.

ICEA also argued in its letter that there are significant "legal, privacy, and national security concerns" with the telecom group's proposal, and a mandate for always-on A-GPS for precise location tracking "would be a regulatory overreach."

That said, the telecom group not only proposed A-GPS activation but also has problems with older location-tracking methods, as smartphone companies display a pop-up message to alert users when a network carrier is trying to access their location.

The telecom group argued that a "target can easily ascertain that he is being tracked by security agencies," and urged the government to order smartphone manufacturers to disable the pop-up features.

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[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Apple, Samsung, and Google opposed this proposal and told the government that always-on satellite tracking should not be mandated, with the lobbying group India Cellular & Electronics Association (ICEA), representing Apple and Google, saying "A measure to track device-level location has no precedent anywhere else in the world," in a confidential letter to the Indian government in July.

So was feeding notification directly to the government but these fucks were doing it without any remorse anyways.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/governments-spying-apple-google-users-through-push-notifications-us-senator-2023-12-06/

Never trust these two face clowns. They say one thing publicly and do nefarious things behind your backs.

[–] Obamakitten 1 points 11 hours ago

Google basically built India's surveillance infrastructure already. Tech industry just plays good cop bad cop, not even for antitrust reasons but for international ambitions in Africa (where the infrastructure remains unconstructed) & areas they have regional competitors, like SEA

[–] limerod@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That app being installed was just a test. They actually want phones to have always on A-GPS for location tracking.

Also, they want the pop-up which notifies about GPS usage to be off. So, you don't know that you are being tracked.

Don't know what's up and why everyone wants to track everyone and all. Maybe, testing 1989? But, a reminder any device which is not foss is not owned by you and can change things in the future for worse.

[–] oozy7@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago
[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Dude, they've been tracking since the first cell phone (even the analog ones).

Since the first PCS phones in 1995 it just got easier with smaller cells.

Then with smart phones, all of them use AGPS, and the tracking data is largely available in a few ways - cell towers and signal strength, which/when AGPS data is pulled, etc (coupled with tower and signal data).

Then 5G cells are so small the accuracy is crazy with just cell and signal strength.

I'm not excusing what they're doing, just giving background - there's a lot more tracking going on than is obvious at first. And AGPS is always on already. It's not a tracking function in itself, just is one piece if data that can be used.

[–] limerod@reddthat.com 1 points 20 hours ago

AGPS uses data not just from towers but also from bluetooth and wifi Access points around you. You can turn this off. If you wanted to there are settings to do. It was GPS, AGPS in older phones. Now, its scanning for wifi, bluetooth which uses google server. Also "Improve the location accuracy" toggle which uses signal towers.

If network based location triangulation was so accurate. Why would the telecom providers lobby to have this always on without user consent. Not to mention the potential indicator of location tracking being actively being used with an indicator.