Remember maintaining a household used to be considered a full time occupation for 1 adult per household.
We need to bring that idea back and separate it from gendered labor. 1 adult's full time pay should always cover the cost of a home and family
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That was also established back before dishwashers, laundry machines, refrigerators (so you can go shopping every couple weeks instead of every day), public school, etc. Modern conveniences streamline a lot of domestic tasks.
I still think a single income should support a family, but maintaining a household isn't as labor intensive as it once was.
The 1950s had basically all of that and the standard was still the same. Before that extended family households were more common and the labor was spread to multiple adults and children had more expectations
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Instead of that, we now have unaffordable housing, which forces you into serial tenancies. The rent prices are so high you need to live with one or more people. All of you must work to make the rent. Also there's a deposit, so you must somehow keep on top of the housekeeping, or you will owe money to the landlord. If that sounds unfair and ridiculous, that'll be because it is. But if you complain, you'll be the one that's crazy, because that's just the way the world works
and as the years go buy, your salary goes up, and you get fewer roomates, and as it goes up more you get your own place, or get into a relationship and get a place with that person.
it's not 'ridiculous' it's how it's always been. nobody was living on their own at 18-25.
Not any more matey. Not for millennials like me. I have two kids, I'm in a steady long term relationship, and I still rent, like about 50% of people my age. For boomers, the figure was 23% at this age.
Nice of you to assume I'm a lot younger than I am, I suppose?
i'm a millennial. i've never not had a raise each year that easy covered my costs. the reason i own is because instead of partying in my 20s i was building savings. i remember being 24, maxxing out my 401K while my peers were calling up mom and dad because they were spend way more than their salary could cover.
all the people i know who don't own it's because they chose low paying jobs, or refuse to give up partying. anyone who took their life more serious is doing very well. that isn't society's 'fault' it's their own poor long term decision making. but they blame everyone else.
but also, why would you have kids if you can't afford a home?
I see the difference between you and I. It's that people talk to me at parties.
Look the figures and facts are available to you, you have an internet connection. Home ownership and financial stability have crashed among our generation. It's just true. You have been lucky, and boring enough in your choices to make that luck count. Most of us haven't.
I know someone who was made homeless despite working 60 hour weeks for a job at the local council. So "all the people you know", who you are judging so harshly might not actually be a good indicator of what's what. I think there is quite possibly a decent level of bias in your thinking, which confirms your firmly held belief that you deserve what you have because you worked for it. Maybe you do. But I know ten people who work harder than you who have less than you have, so...
right, i'm a boring anti social asshole. that's why i'm doing well... and not because i grew up in 'poverty' and had to learn to pay my own bills from a young age and now reap the rewards of lifelong responsibility and lack of a entitle attitude towards the world. where i come from nothing was given or expected. i never expected to own a home or get a job, i knew i had to earn it.
If only I had overspent all my money partying and traveling in my 20s, and i was sitting here at 40 with six figures of debt. then i'd be a 'real' millennial...
hard work doesn't mean anything unless you budget. i know people who work 80 hour weeks, making 300K and are still massively in debt. because they spend more than they make.
sadly math doesn't care about rich or poor or lucky or unlucky. many people in our generation are entitled nitwits who don't know how math works. and many support the very same policies that are impoverishing them. most of my friends are anti-housing development, despite the fact they can't afford homes. they cause their own suffering.
Hey, nobody said "asshole".
Friendly reminder that medieval peasants only spent 20-30 hours per week working the land.
But that doesn't mean the other hours were just leisure time, maintenance of tools, clothing, house, etc also took up quite some time.
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Also have three or four children to perpetrate the system, work for tips while studying, consume and save for your own retirement. And if you get sick, your whole family loses everything.
Oh, and be thankful you're in the best possible economic system and socialism is bad, so bad.
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Half the things you don't need to do daily.
And there are hundreds of other necessary activities that aren't listed here. What is your point? The point of the post is that this person (and many others) feel overburdened by the pressures and requirements of modern society. Pointing out that the specific chore of vacuuming doesn't have to happen every day isn't astute.
they are overburdened by basic adulthood.
that's a character flaw. not a society flaw.
none of these things are onerous burdens. they are minimal. nobody is asking them to train 2-3 hours a day for a marathon.
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I dream of collective production and consumption of food. De-individualize feasting!
We're supposed to live communally so you're not the only one doing all this maintaining. You're right, and I share your dream!
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Tbf not all of these have to be done daily. I get the point, but yeah.
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capitalism
Add kids to the formula to receive your BurnOut^TM^ even faster!
The amount of people who are blaming the poor for burnout in this thread is unsurprising, since this is lemmy.
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The walking 10k steps is bs.
10k was just arbitrarily picked. More walking is of course healthier than less though.
And traditionally one person (and/or a parade of children) contributed to those tasks full time.
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Yes, it's possible, until you have kids.
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