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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Remember maintaining a household used to be considered a full time occupation for 1 adult per household.

We need to bring that idea back and separate it from gendered labor. 1 adult's full time pay should always cover the cost of a home and family

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

2 part timers should be able to work also

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 51 minutes ago

As long as the math adds up. Right now you need 40 hours a day to do everything yourself

[–] OshaqHennessey@midwest.social 21 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Friendly reminder that medieval peasants only spent 20-30 hours per week working the land.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 2 minutes ago

What is this statistic precisely? I assume that it's on "average" AKA including people who only do housework.

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

But that doesn't mean the other hours were just leisure time, maintenance of tools, clothing, house, etc also took up quite some time.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is not historically accurate. They had 2-3 months of religious holiday where they were not working. Also every Sunday, no work.

Don't be an ignorant wage slave. It's cringe.

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They had 2-3 months of religious holiday where they were not working. Also every Sunday, no work.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't work on Saturdays and Sundays. And I don't have any religious obligations on those days, so I've got them all to myself.

So that's almost two months worth of Saturdays and on top of that I've got a month of paid leave and 7 holiday days.

Work-wise I'm not going to day we have it better or that we aren't being exploited, but I sure know I wouldn't want to trade places with a medieval peasant.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 42 minutes ago

Go find some billionaire's balls to lick.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Simping for inequalityand theft of automation-gains, .world, name a more iconic duo

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how adding a bit of nuance to the suggestion that medieval peasants might have less working hours than we do is "simping for inequality".

I don't endorse inequality, on the contrary. Hell, the party I vote for in my country is so left it makes Bernie Sanders look like a rightwinger in comparison.

a bit of nuance

But only one decontextualized fact that supports my position and not a more robust understanding or anything that would be be genuinely complicated. Not too much.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 28 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Half the things you don't need to do daily.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 27 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And there are hundreds of other necessary activities that aren't listed here. What is your point? The point of the post is that this person (and many others) feel overburdened by the pressures and requirements of modern society. Pointing out that the specific chore of vacuuming doesn't have to happen every day isn't astute.

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl -1 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The whole comment would fit into literally any time period.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 hours ago

If that’s true, which I question very much as the pressures of modern society are significantly more encompassing than in the past, that only means we’ve been doing it wrong the whole time.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

You're right! Why should we try to fix it now?

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago

Work.

But, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we need another study about how we're all actually more productive when we're required to be at work for fewer hours.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 17 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

You don't need to buy food every day, or do laundry, or hoover, clean/tidy. Meditating is not for everyone and for some people even socialising is not a daily necessity.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Cook and wash up 3x daily - this is also crazy. If it is supposedly a workday, you won't be home for lunch. And you don't want to or have to cook every time you're home, and for the dishes, there exist dishwashers (if you don't have one, make sure you get one, this is the single best thing that happened to us if we talk about chores. We had a 12+people party yesterday, and it only took 2 runs to not think about dishes, over than 30mins for putting them into the washer).

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

Even then, you can socialize during a lot of this, too. Cook with friends. Have community meals. Socialize with coworkers. Etc.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Well, if you take an 8 hour shift with a typical commute of 2 hours total (there and back), paired with 8 hours of sleep, as well as shower, dress, equip for work, and eat a cooked meal for dinner, you're looking at 3 hours of free time. 3 hours of life per workday. Paired with the commonality of working adults working 2 hours more, and sleeping up to 4 hours less because of either reclaiming free time, factoring in dating, working secondary and tertiary jobs, insomnia or otherwise, and those 3 hours could be no hours, or exhaustion leading to the time being spent just lounging, no hobbies. That is one reason why I don't agree with this system.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you travel an hour each way for work, you are an outlier. A typical commute is under 30 minutes (in the US, at least)

[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I have a really hard time believing that statement. Do you have a source or is that half hour average a vibe-stat?

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 12 points 5 hours ago

Add kids to the formula to receive your BurnOut^TM^ even faster!

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I dream of collective production and consumption of food. De-individualize feasting!

[–] Sammy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We're supposed to live communally so you're not the only one doing all this maintaining. You're right, and I share your dream!

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

A better world is possible friend. We will see the world we dream of or live creating it for the people we love 😘

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The walking 10k steps is bs.

10k was just arbitrarily picked. More walking is of course healthier than less though.

And traditionally one person (and/or a parade of children) contributed to those tasks full time.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

exactly 10k is bullshit, but I don't see why it still can't be a cutoff. 3-5k is too low, 20k+ only happens when you are actually hiking or sightseeing all day while travelling (unless you have a work where you run back and forth all day)

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe -3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

You need to sleep as much as you need, walk as much as you need.

Stop listening to other people, listen to your own body.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Proceeds to sleep for 12 hours

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Those aren't the biggest problems

[–] NoFun4You@lemmy.world -3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

One of these things is her choice.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yep! Why are you showering daily? It's bad for your hair.

[–] jupiter_jazz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You don't need to wash your hair when you take a shower

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe -1 points 3 hours ago

They're largely all her choice, or at least misrepresented.

I do laundry once a week, and that's 90% done by a machine - what I have to do is fold. Oh dear, that's so much work.

Walk 10000 steps? Where doe this nonsense come from? Hey, if that's what you want to do, remember you chose to measure yourself like this. If it's causing you stress, maybe change?

Give this list to a boomer who worked in a factory lifting heavy shit (and lived though a major recession as even those jobs disappeared thanks to Nixon) and watch them laugh you out the door.