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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals.

Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area.

There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

You are a plague, and we... are the cure.

(This scene not brought to you by an LLM... yet.)

[–] sixpaque@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

I have to admit that part of the film always sticks with me.

[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 18 points 10 months ago (9 children)

We need to fundamentally change our values to prioritize life over money. Money, the abstraction of value for exchanging resources, has brainwashed us into collecting and spending it. We've allowed it to get between us and access to literally everything tiny thing we need to survive, and we even use it as a social score that places us in castes. Money truly is the root of all evil. Think about it, every decision we make is based on money, how much it costs, how fortunate you are to have the money in the first place. Money money money. Life over money, please

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago

We need to fundamentally change our values to prioritize life over money.

while i agree with the sentiment, i want to point something out.

when you say it like this, somebody else will read it and say "aha, so instead of maximizing money, we have to maximize life, which implies forcing women to have babies. pro-birther confirmed." and that's probably not what you intended.

so i guess one could maybe modify your statement a bit to make it make more sense in some other people's eye.

[–] decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a chicken or the egg situation isn't it?

You need money to feed someone, to get a roof, for healthcare. Wouldn't anyone growing up their entire life in this system be reasonably expected to be obsessed with money? Thus perpetuating the system and the issue.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Human labor transforms the physical materials of nature into useful goods. Humans can decide how to collectively organize their labor.

We don't actually need money to feed anyone (look at indigenous tribes for example). We have collectively decided to put paywalls on everything we produce. Which is a shame, because we produce more than enough for everyone.

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[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Infinite growth is not sustainable and will lead to ruin fast.

Planned obsolesence lead to huge waste of finite resources.

Shitty wealth distribution, Billionares are not compatible with a functioning society.

Capitalism needs to come along with heavy regulation and anti-corruption messures.

[–] cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Under capitalism, capital will always accumulate into the hands of the shareholders. Those with the capital will always find a way to influence politicians into deregulating, no matter how many anti-corruption measures you put in place. We've seen this happen over and over for as long as capitalism has existed.

We need a fundamental change in the system that prevents capital from accumulating. That change would be socialism, where the workers collectively own the means of production, rather than it being owned privately by the shareholders.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

There are other ’non-nightmare–extinction-shit-show' options than just the one, but its certainly better than our chosen path, that you¹ are choosing every moment you dont act, of nightmare extinction shit show.

¹the reader, that's you.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That change would be socialism, where the ~~workers~~ workers' self-appointed representatives own the means of production, rather than it being owned privately by the shareholders.

We've been down this road. We know where it ends.

[–] cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you would stop bending my words for a moment, you would realize that I'm advocating for direct ownership by the workers, not some phony representative democracy. Any system with hierarchies of decision-making power, even supposedly self-appointed ones, will always corrupt.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

And how would the workers exercise that "direct" ownership? Workers aren't a hive mind. There will always be hierarchies.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

They are not compatible with any society, or continued existence of life.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Infinite growth is not sustainable and will lead to ruin fast.

infinite growth is not sustainable in a finite space, but if you develop spaceflight, you have literally infinite space available, so the argument falls flat.

i just wanted to add that addition. it's actually why spaceflight is pushed forward in america, because it enables growth without destroying the planet at the same time.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

While the universe may be close to infinite, the number of habitable (or reasonably terraformable) planets we can get to is a far smaller number.

A number statistically similar to zero. (assuming travel times counted in less than a human livespan)

[–] thenoirwolfess@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)
[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You mean the rich are who oppose tacking climate change.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Other humans too, to a lesser degree

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Doesn't really rate tbh.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ironically, life generally has those cancer cell characteristics.

Is there any population of anything that will self govern it's resource consumption? Or is all life limited by resources and / or predation?

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you look up dessert rust, you'll start thinking of fungi breaking up rocks as parasitic.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The problem isn't "human nature". The problem is that, under capitalism, profit must always be increased. Marx talked about the inherent contradiction here, viz, we use the finite materials of nature in a quest for infinite profit. Put simply, if the table company wants to make more money, they're going to have to chop more trees.

Just as the rise of merchants was an untenable contradiction in the logic of feudalism, the many contradictions within capitalism indicate that it cannot last. It will likely collapse into a technologically advanced socialism or a technologically oppressive fascism.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago

worse, parasitoids.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 6 points 10 months ago

Also when people act like climate action “opposes” affordability 🤦‍♀️

[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

After the collision, both are stopped.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Jesus Christ. This is the most accurate meme of all time.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago

JFC this hits from in the void that used to be my heart.

[–] glibg@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Perfectly stated.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago

a cancer of a cancer cell to be exact.