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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How many of these Senators have primary opponents?

[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 46 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The first thing to say about them all is that none of them faces re-election in 2026

None of them, apparently. In this case, I guess punting makes sense. They get their constituents back to work and get SNAP money flowing again, but what a fucking betrayal.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They get their constituents back to work and get SNAP money flowing again

The cuts to the health care system are going to put some number of people out of work. They've also created a precedent by which Republicans can extract these enormous concessions through shut downs, a thing prior Dem coalitions had largely squelched.

Most importantly, we've identified air travel as a pain point felt most keenly by Senate liberals. As soon as the upper class is inconvenienced, through long lines at airports and pain felt by airline companies, the Democrats begin to fold in droves. The TSA is effectively a pressure point for the liberal elite and one that Trump will happily squeeze in the future to get what he wants.

[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

A couple points...

Hopefully the house doesn't fold, so the repubnicons don't get a precedent. Air travel hurts everyone, not just senate liberals. The higher class politicians don't even need to suffer TSA losses since private planes don't even use the TSA. Lastly, the house still has to fold, and I hope amongst hope that house Dems are bolstered by this betrayal. Remember, it was only 8 people who caved, and only for their legacies. From what I've read, none of them are even up for reelection, so it was 100% personal pride that drove them to give in to the traitors.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Air travel hurts everyone, not just senate liberals.

Less than half of the public travel by plane even once a year. Some 15% travel internationally. And your propensity to travel by plane is heavily determined by your wealth/income and your proximity to a major city. This is a problem that is heavily concentrated in the metro-poles.

The higher class politicians don’t even need to suffer TSA losses since private planes don’t even use the TSA.

Even the wealthiest Americans regularly use commercial airline services. Private chartered jets tend to be favored by corporate executives, because they can push off the cost of travel onto the corporate balance sheets. And even then, these private jets tend to function as mini-flying offices accommodating whole teams of people. They're as beholden to FAA as every other airborne vehicle and the FAA was also suffering from shortfalls.

Lastly, the house still has to fold

Very possible the House GOP "Double Down" Caucus tries to squeeze an extra turd out before this bill goes to Trump. Hell, its possible Trump vetoes the bill because he's in a nasty mood that day. But at this point, Republicans are operating as a unified caucus while Dems are fracturing. If the GOP does demand another pound of flesh, I question whether Democrats won't cave still further.

From what I’ve read, none of them are even up for reelection, so it was 100% personal pride that drove them to give in to the traitors.

I'm sure there's a bunch of money waiting for them on the backend of retirement.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 4 days ago

The House only needs a majority, which the Republicans have. The House will absolutely fold.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

It won’t put people out of work. They will simply opt out of their healthcare plans. It will increase medical debt across the board and you will see a MASSIVE influx of patients into the ER because that’s the only place that will treat you and send you the bill afterwards

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How does it make sense? Would be more reason to not cave.

makes sense to them in the sense that they "helped their people" in the short term, and can retire before having to take responsibility for the damage they allow in the future. Politicians are generally a special kind of shit.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That subhuman piece of shit Durbin is retiring.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Keep an eye out on who he endorses. And whether Chicago progressives can field an alternative.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Whenever there's a time where the dems have a chance to fight for regular people there is ALWAYS enough traitors to make them cave

This has been happening all my life, and every time it is different dems caving. Like they take fucking turns

This ends when we stop allowing DNC supported candidates to hold power.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

What do you mean? They had Schumer's support.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

So now we get bombarded with articles telling us who to point the finger at, and they are all conveniently either retiring or their seat isn't up for grabs.

Hmmmmmm

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

They count Fetterman a Democrat?

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How is Feterman still considered a democrat?

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Dems defended him at the start, but he’s failed them pretty bad.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I could have sworn he officially switched sides of went independent but I guess that's a fever dream I had exemplifying his cowardly traitorousness.

In reality he professes to be doing the right thing, and can't figure out why his constituents hate him and why the party is trying to push him out. I hope he's lying, because if he's really that dumb I worry for Pennsylvania.

https://nypost.com/2025/10/16/us-news/john-fetterman-confronted-over-why-hes-still-a-dem-as-party-plots-ouster-want-to-follow-the-truth/

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

The Hateful 8.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Lynch your leaders" makes more and more sense every day.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That would be a good name for a contemporary rock band.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or a post-hardcore/punk band.

I could see them having a sound in the vein of D.I.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

I thought it was too on the nose for a punk band.

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Durbin has been messaged.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

King isn’t actually a democrat, just caucuses with them.

[–] LemUser@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

So, does anyone suspect that these traitors were bribed or blackmailed?

As much as I'd love to crucify the traitors for their treachery, we need to keep in mind that there are way richer people pulling their strings.

I think we need to start at the top and work our way down.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And people question why I stopped supporting Dems at the ballot box.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I hope you still vote for somebody even if they're not of the two major parties.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

I've voted in every election and midterm since 2016. Last couple I just voted third party (whether they're a listed option or a write in), but focus more on the propositions/amendments for local laws.