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A Month after the Sponsor Drama, what do we think? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by Mr_Mofu@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/framework@lemmy.ca

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I remember when that whole thing went down, that I'd wait a bit for thier Response. Since then I must admit, I've been much out of the Loop. Did they ever Respond or even acknowledge it?

I've also been Saving up for a FW12, and with me having almost enough to order one I think its plenty Important to revisit this... so now that the Dust has settled, what do you all think?

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[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Let me preface with this : I own a framework 13 and I recommended framework until the controversy.

Framework is pricier than any other alternative and have a weaker supply chain of spare parts, the only upside of framework should be an ethical one. You buy framework because their values not because it's the best option. Framework talking about "big tent" while sponsoring outright facist ( There is no other word for DHH ) is not acceptable and is a spit to the face to all people who choose to believe in them to push for ethical hardware.

I would recommended only buying framework on technical merits or going for another manufacturer like tuxedo, starlabs or slimbook or the mainstream one ( Lenovo, dell ).

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Can't repair another laptop though. I don't purchase anything on the ethics of a company or I wouldn't purchase anything.

[–] Mr_Mofu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The Ethical side is definetly a huge part of my Interest in Framework as a Company, but I must admit the biggest reason I wanna get a FW12 is the Upgradability and Repairability. To be able to keep using the Same Laptop for the ages basically.

However is that worth supporting DHH by Proxy for that? I've been assuming with thier response being the Big Tent Strat that they have decided to keep supporting Hyperland right?

[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hyperland is still getting a very sizeable part of the donation they make.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

And didn't they sort out their issues? At least posted above said so.

[–] hanrahan@piefed.social 0 points 3 days ago

For me the "ethical" hardware is an alignment with the ease of repair and their DIY swap out modules.

You can't be a company in a captilsit system and have ethics that align with mine, so if I adopted what you are suggesting, I'd never be able to buy anything... at all, ever.

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They published a list of all of the projects they sponsor, including the forms of support and amounts.

They sponsor and have booths at many events. They have 4 software projects that are listed as getting ongoing support. They are listed with different time periods and currencies but I converted the numbers to $/year for ease of comparison.

Per year sponsorship:

$5,000 Linux Foundation $8,325 Hyperland $10,000 LVFS $12,000 GNOME

I think there's reason to be concerned about these donations. They sponsor far too few projects for the inclusion of hyperland to not read as an explicit endorsement. Hard to follow the "big tent" excuse when their tent covers 4 members.

I don't follow their other communication channels, so I can't speak to them. But this nonpology brief foray into transparency is not enough to move the needle for me.

Despite all this, I still consider the framework to be one of the least bad laptop companies.

[–] Mr_Mofu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wait they really only support 4 software projects? Thats way less then what I expected given thier Talk about the Big Tent strat, unless they mean it in a future headed sorta way... that is rather concerning to say the least...

But as you said, even with that considered they really are still the least bad Company around for this kinda stuff. I mean they have been around for around 6 or so years now yes? Yet this was thier first controversy I think... I suppose it kinda comes down to if they are willing to do stuff like this again/keep continuing...

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"ongoing", while accurate, is misleading if you're wondering about big tent numbers.

They've sponsored about 20ish projects.

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

On reflection, RISC-V should have been included. Framework gave two computers to them.

There are two universities, one youth education non-profit, and the rest are conferences. Its very different to give money to a software project to support development costs, and a conference. Paying for an event is different, especially when they are paying for a booth, which makes it more of a marketing expense.

There are only 4 software projects with ongoing support. That's the concern. I think few would have an issue with framework's sponsorships if their support of hyperland was a one time donation. The document shows continued ongoing support of €600 per month.

[–] disconsented@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 days ago

Hyperland has supposedly sorted out their issues a while ago, providing that's true I don't see any significant issues with continuing to support them.

What I take fault with is the handling of DHH (or whatever the acronym is), and, frankly I don't want anything short of publicly condemning what they stand for.

However, we also need to be pragmatic here, companies are not our friends and frankly you'd struggle to convince me that frame.work is meaningfully worse than the rest. So, eh.