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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/41332259

I'm a frequent contributor to OSM, along with being passionate about individual privacy. Adding Flock cameras to the map has become a new hyperfixation for me. The best part is that when tagged correctly, they appear on deflock.me along with OSM. It's a simple way to help your community know when they're around these dystopian ALPR cameras. Deflock also has an app, although I cannot attest for it - I believe that it dumps the data into OSM too, so it may be better suited for those without OSM experience.

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[–] illusionist@lemmy.zip 25 points 4 months ago

That's weird.

Why is stalking one individual unwanted but stalking everyone is okay?

[–] sp3ctre@feddit.org 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I like it. Everyone should know how to add cameras (+types, +angles) via OpenStreetMap since governments all over the world seek ultimate control over it's citizens, which shouldn't be granted...

See also: https://sunders.uber.space/

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How do you know a camera is Flock?

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Deflock has a great picture-based guide here: https://deflock.me/identify

In the dark, the ALPRs made by flock have a green flow to them. Even in the daylight, though, they are relatively easy to spot once you see one. They're usually at each entrance of a storefront or on the sides of roads, and typically have their own solar panel.

Once you notice one, you'll start noticing them everywhere, at least that's how it worked for me in my area.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't seen those, but I do not get out much.

You should contact the stores and tell them you refuse to shop with them while these are present.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

In this specific case, the only people I could contact are Home Depot corporate, and they signed a huge contract ($$$) with Flock. It's something I've thought about though. I really wish Lowe's and Home Depot weren't the only home improvement stores in town, as they both have Flock.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, thanks. That means I never want to go to either one Lowes or Home Depot ever again. They simply do not exist for me.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

You're already being tracked by private facial recognition inside the store, and have been for probably a decade

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Really don't care if private businesses use ALPRs as I can just not go there.

Public roads are where these things absolutely should not be.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, until you can't go anywhere that doesn't have them. Because that's the inevitable future if we don't push back.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're already there. They are covering almost every street

[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not in my area they're not, we ran them off.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Thanks very helpful

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, that's true, yes. The ones on roads (which also exist in my area) are far worse. However, it's still a huge invasion of privacy that most people have no idea about. Plus, there may not be alternative home improvement stores in certain areas. Lowe's and Home Depot are the only home improvement stores in my area, and both of those disgusting corps have million dollar contracts with Flock. They're literally at every location from what I can tell on DeFlock.

ALPRs, especially Flock, are designed for police. They only exist so police can avoid getting warrants to know where you've been.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 months ago

Your rights to privacy go out the window when you're on private property.

However they also are meaningless on public property as of ~2003

[–] pietervdvn@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago