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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Gonna get downvoted but fuck this.

The IDF is terrible, the Israeli government is terrible, it is genocidal and there is no excuse for that.

Yet, the IDF is mandatory for all 18yo in Israel, meaning that you could be completely against the IDF and the government, and still be in the IDF.

Imagine being an 18yo who sees the genocide, understands the that Israel is in the wrong, and is now forced to join the army that is in the process of a genocide, and immediately receiving a gun. Fucked up situation that might even lead someone to suicide, especially if maybe you are already in a dark place.

My point is that there are IDF soldiers that are absolutely genocidal, the IDF as an army is horrific, but because of mandatory conscription you can't treat it the same as a voluntary army where people choose to be there (kinda, poverty and propaganda can often make it more complex)

Just as I wouldn't celebrate the suicide of a Russian just because of what Russia is doing, I wouldn't celebrate the suicide of an Israeli just because they were forced to join the IDF.

I think that these mindless celebrations of death jist fuel the cycle of hatred. If you support a genocide I have no compassion for you, but a forced conscription is not a choice.

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 days ago

Exactly. The people that are killing themselves are likely the people that had the most capacity for good in they entire establishment. It's such a sad state of affairs.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Or instead of joining the IDF, you get the jail time of a few months.

But I guess they're just following orders, so they're actually absolved of the rape and genocide.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Sure, a few months in jail seems like an option, But there are 2 important factors here:

  • Wether they are going to be combatants or not
  • The fact that these are young adults / teens in a very normalized situation.

If you are 18yo and fresh out of school, understand that the IDF is in the wrong and condemn it but are now facing the choice between doing what society expects of you and going for 2-3 years of office work at the IDF or go against the law, go to jail for an unknown amount of months and possibly face social consequences, you might choose the office work. It does not obsolve you from all faults, but it does not make you genocidal or a rapist.

This approach of grouping everyone together is just adding more fuel to the fire. Everyone sticks their head in the sand and says "This is the problem, there is no nuance!" And guess what? Sometimes you will be more right and sometimes you will be more wrong, but you will very very rarely be correct.

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[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

It's not just jail though. Like any society, their are expectations that come with being a participant in it. Shame, family and pressure make that solution not an easy choice. I get what you are saying, and it's easy to say that from the outside. History tells us that much baggage comes with going against the norm. Power to you,just realize it has impacts beyond just 'your' life. Not saying that is a good thing, just that it is a thing.

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I disagree, they should be doing murder suicides with their commanding officers.

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)

i would much prefer people who did horrible things to change their ways, and work towards healing the world rather than kill themselves

[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but you aren't going to see me shedding tears over dead fascists.

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But if they're not gonna change, this isn't a bad alternative to your thing.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 6 days ago (17 children)

And I'd like to live in a magical floating castle. At least a dead IDF today will save a life tomorrow.

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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (26 children)

The correlation of combatant suicide is commonplace, but increased severely in periods of fascism and genocide. Most people aren't sociopaths but can still be persuaded, pressured, and/or conditioned to do terrible things. I'm surprised it's not higher.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We need it to be even higher.

To be clear, if you personally commit a hate crime murder or rape:

Don't kill yourself. You're still human. Fix your shit, find out what made you suck, and do everything you can to compensate for how much you fucked up the world.

If you join the industrial hate crime rape extermination factory on purpose, when you could have run or spent a month in prison instead: You cannot be redeemed, you cannot be of value to humanity, and you can never be human again, if you ever were. The only thing left to you is to killeveryone who made you what you are, and then yourself. Please hurry; every moment you continue to exist defiles the world.

[–] William_Nilliam@hexbear.net 7 points 5 days ago

wow that sucks

spoilerThat it's not more

fragging is cooler but i'll take it

[–] oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

One of the few reasons I encourage suicide.

Sure, watching them get mowed down is more satisfying, but I will take every IDF, Nazi, and fascist death literally no matter what the circumstance is, except deaths that involve actual decent people going down with them. With the exception to the exception of good people sacrificing themselves specifically in order to take out the maximum number they can with them.

o7

But all you IDF morons should feel bad, and you should definitely teamkill as many as possible before killing yourselves. Bonus points off you get good footage. Extra bonus for backflip.

Some day the best outcome is 0% of evil remaining, but I prefer 100% evil mortality rate. Don't leave room to presume rehabilitation is possible. That effort isn't worth it.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 5 points 5 days ago

I much prefer seeing them go out in a grainy video with a red triangle over their heads, but I’ll take suicide in a pinch.

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