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[–] loaExMachina@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

This doesn't work. Knowing which guard is a liar doesn't tell you which door is the correct one (the actual answer has been given in this thread).

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 151 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

That last question is ambiguous enough (in this specific scenario) that either answer would work. It's both true that the other guard can't tell her something happened (due to being dead), while the other guard would have said that something did happen if he had been able to. So it's a meaningless question but the wife doesn't know that since she doesn't know the guard is dead.

Which just adds another layer to the joke lol.

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 106 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Is there more of this?

What's this from?

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Nhim is the artist. The character is Mimi. They’re all standalone comics, but there’s a bunch with Mimi. All have the same crazy goblin energy to them.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is there an actual plot to Mimi, or is she just a complete chaos goblin?

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 28 points 6 days ago

Simply goblin

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 31 points 6 days ago

And the surviving guard will most definitely answer a 2nd question despite the rules.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

That's funny! but if you want to know how to solve this problem every time, even when asking one single question, just ask this question:

"If I ask the other guy which is the correct path, which path will he tell me?"

No matter who you ask, both of them will point to the WRONG path, meaning the correct one is the one they DIDN'T point to. Here is the logic.

For the sake of argument, let's assume the correct path is the right path. When you ask that question, if the person is the truthful one, he will be honest and say the left path. Because if you ask the liar what the correct path is, he will say it is the left path (which is false). Now if you ask the liar what the other guy will say the correct path is, he will lie to you and say it is the left path (which is also false, the truthful one will tell you it is the right path and not the left).

[–] lightsblinken@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

and also, using "correct path" instead of "right path" will be less confuzzling because english words can have multiple meanings and are the dumb.

[–] ethicallysliced@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

You should even specify “path to the castle”, because there isn’t technically a “correct” path.

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[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The liar responds "I don't know"

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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

"I have no idea what the other guy would say, we're honest-lier pair of guards, not reading each other fucking thoughts pair of guards"

[–] socsa@piefed.social 68 points 6 days ago (11 children)

This still doesn't accomplish the goal of knowing which door will kill you. All you've done is determine which guard is the liar.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 66 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I believe that's the joke. The barbarians intelligence isn't usually very high.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I love playing low Intelligence high Wisdom characters. Because Wisdom governs stats like Perception, Insight, and Animal Handling. So your character will notice things that the rest of the party misses, but often doesn’t have the intelligence to put the individual pieces together.

Once played a high wisdom barbarian. He would notice things like traps or clues, but I would RP it with things like “Hey, why’s that wire stretched across the path? Someone is going to trip over that…” The other players very quickly learned to pay attention whenever I asked stupid questions, because it was usually my way of announcing “I noticed something that the rest of you missed.”

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

For years, I had my own headcanon for the Labyrinth movie. In the scene, the young Sarah correctly solves the riddle, passes through the correct door, says "This is a piece of cake!" and then she immediately falls down a pit of doom. This confused me, because she got the answer right. So I reasoned that the guards were both liars, and because they both participated in explaining the rules, they were lying about the rules.

It was only a few years ago that I read in an interview that the Labyrinth (or Jareth) dropped her down the hole because she said it was a piece of cake. It was her arrogance that set her back, not that she got the riddle wrong.

But now it still bothers me that the liar, whichever one he is, helps explain the rules of the scenario. If he always lies, then she can't trust that either of them ever tells the truth. The rules have to be described separately, like on a sign or by a disinterested third party. Or you could phrase it differently, like "One of us will answer your question truthfully, and one of us will answer your question dishonestly." That way you avoid saying that they always lie, and specify that the lie will only be in response to the one question.

Fuck, I've had too much coffee. How the fuck did I get up on this soapbox? Why are you still reading? Go do something productive.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 35 points 1 week ago

Go do something productive.

No.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 41 points 6 days ago
[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I got an unexpected laugh from Rick and Mortys take on this. His answer was "you ever fuck this guys wife?" And watched them fight to the death.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ah man, I miss Rick and Morty before you know... everything.

[–] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

They replaced the guy didn't they?

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Now let’s make it a little harder. You have three guards: one tells the truth, one lies, one answers randomly. The guards understand you, but only answer either “da” or “ja”. One means yes, one means no, but you don’t know which is which. You get to ask each guard one question.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Give them a paradox by encoding the other two's potential responses into the question (similarly to the two guard solution, but this time the random response is included). If they are able to answer, then you asked the random one, because the liar and truth teller have no idea what the random one would answer so can't answer only yes or no without potentially violating their truthiness rule.

This isn't to solve the puzzle but to see what the other two would do in that situation. If I figured out the random one with the first question, I'd use the 2nd to ask the same thing of one of the others. Then, if it's still 2 doors, the two guard solution will work on the last one to figure it out.

But if the first guard asked explodes or something when asked, I think that there wouldn't be enough questions left to find both the random guard (which I believe you have to do first) and the door. Though if you change the question to only ask about one other's answer instead of both, you'll be able to find both the random guard and the safe door.

Though hopefully the whole setup isn't a lie and everyone present is a strategic liar that wants you dead. Imagine doing one of those riddles and when you step through the door you notice both doors lead into the same room whose walls now seem to be closing in and the last thing you hear is one of the guards asking another why riddles seem to get people to let their guard down anyways.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (11 children)

So the traditional answer here is to ask them to point at the door the other guard will say is safe.

However, I'm curious, does anyone know of any other valid solutions?

[–] EntirelyUnlovable@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (5 children)

"Is the guard that tells the truth standing in front of the safe door?" If they say yes, you go through their door, if they say no then you go to the other one

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

This puzzle is always presented as difficult, but why not just ask a known? If your eyes are brown just ask “Are my eyes brown?” You’d immediately know which one lies or tells the truth.

E: I missed the limit of one question.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 32 points 6 days ago

Then you still don't know which door is the correct one, you've just learned which guard tells the truth and you've used up your one question. The trick is to ask which door the other guard would tell you is the correct one and then go through the other door. If you've asked the lying guard, they'll lie about what the honest one would say and point you towards the wrong door. If you asked the honest one, they'll truthfully tell you what the lying guard would say and also point you towards the wrong door

Because there are two doors and only one question. If you ask a known question unrelated to the door you find out who the liar is but lose your opportunity to ask them which is the correct door.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 16 points 6 days ago

Knowing who lies and who tells the truth doesn't tell you which door leads to the prize and which to death.

[–] Edge004@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The difficulty comes from only being able to ask one question. It's very easy to figure out the liar, but it's much more difficult to figure out the liar and the correct door in the same question

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