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[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

In Europe there is definitely a difference between TGV quality lines and the regional ones which are rarely better than taking the car, sadly (speaking from my years of experience).

I wonder what the map would look like if you at least greyed out the slow lines.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My baby doesn't take the morning train?

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The US absolutely needs more and better trains. But also, the US has large areas with no population. That's why when you look at electoral maps you need to control population density.

Even with a high quality rail system with support for populated areas of the US the map would still have large gaps and wouldn't be nearly as full as the EU map.

Simply putting two maps side by side and saying "this one bad" isn't great. Yes, it's absolutely bad, but for the exact reasons this map shows.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 4 points 19 hours ago

US also has the advantage of being one big federation with established standards bodies and a federal budget. A train that goes Between Belgium, Netherlands, Germany has to pass through 3 different electrical standards (yes, they are very different), 2 traffic regulations (left or right side), and 3 signalization standards. And they make it work.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yeah, but excluding entire states is ridiculous.

Is it? There are entire states with populations less than that of major cities.

[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Exactly. Every state has a major population hub. Excluding major cities is pretty bad. Except Wyoming. No one fucking lives in Wyoming. Why are they even a state...

In the vague defense of Wyoming and the other great planes states, quite a lot of their population growth was hindered or outright shrank due to the dust bowl which they haven't recovered from. It's kinda like how Russia goes through a population dip every 20 years or so due to the sheer number of people who died during WW2.

[–] droans@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

South Dakota only has two cities with populations over 50,000.

[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Another state that shouldn't exist

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are you willing to pay the profit loss of keeping a station running? I’d wager trains aren’t cheap.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Cars and asphalt roads are even more expensive.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

LOL!

Rail is FAR more expensive to maintain in the long run. And cars are cheaper than trains.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We're already paying to connect rural villages to infrastructure. Do you think connecting a rural village in the middle of nowhere to the street network is profitable? Of course it isn't. Same for water, wastewater, electricity, and internet.

Besides, a train station doesn't have to be fancy. If you make it so that people can pay for their ticket on board of the train, all you need is a concrete platform. Relatively cheap, and last approximately forever.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

all you need is a concrete platform. Relatively cheap, and last approximately forever.

And electricity, and employees, and maintenance, and amenities, and land ownership or leasing cost, and utility taxes, and environmental impact costs, and….

[–] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tbh do you really need all of that at any train station? Now you could sell the tickets on a website or with a machine. Land yes, that's true. Don't actually need really any amenities although would be good of course. Even electricity barely needed if it's day only. Seriously at the end of the day you dont even need a roof.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Have you ever been on a train?

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 1 points 19 hours ago

Yes, it was pretty nice.

[–] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I have a few times but not recently. Why?

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[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And Europe is zoomed in too

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And, living in enclaves as I have, I always think we don't have much. But it's kinda terrifying how bad the US have it.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 1 points 19 hours ago

Well, they make up for it with planes. They can move around. It's just awfully polluting

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Germany used to have more 30 years ago. Scheiß Kohl und Schröder

[–] nouben@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

France too :'( Putain de Chirac et Sarkozy.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For the unaware:

map of passenger train network in France, comparing 1930 to 2014. the caption states the total length of the network has shrunk by 16,000 km over this period

In the small town where I grew up, the train station got turned into a supermarket + gas station + mcdonalds (yes, really 🤮 ). To take a train to anywhere else in France, you first have to drive 25 minutes (not the longest, but really defeats the point of taking local / regional trains).

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago
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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

It gets cut off here, but Estonia only has like 4 lines or something, all from the capital in the north. No interconnection between the other cities except through the capital, and for two of the lines about 30 km away from the capital. It really sucks, I wish there was more and I'm also hoping for Rail Baltica to be ready sooner rather than later. And I REALLY wish there was a way to connect Tartu, Viljandi and Pärnu to each other directly - right now you have to make a near 200 km detour to get between the first two, and Pärnu is disconnected altogether until Rail Baltica is finished, the Tallinn-Pärnu line is dead. Sadly though, that dream route of mine (which would connect two culturally significant cities (Tartu and Viljandi) to each other and to the future Rail Baltica line in a slightly less detour-y fashion) will likely never exist because of all the wetlands in between those cities. I am glad they're being preserved, but... trains would be nice.

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