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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55483749

Just a little thought I wanna discuss.

Unlike the more massive social media or the real world where theres not many leftists and we are gladly more united Lemmy and its left leaning tendencies with the instances providing natural cult grouping tendencies. Add to that the matrix in groups there and we all seem to be making a thing out of how to anger each other. How to troll each other or annoy x or y instance.

I hate this.

Living in an extreme right wing nation I know no other anarchist. A few left wingers. Even the libs here are right wing extremists by the standards of a western nation. I hold dear any solidarity.

I support unions here even when everyone there is a religious fundamentalist who wants sharia law bc they still qantnto improve the conditions of the working class.

Many folks here, who again I don't have any hate for, I see intending these fights and dramas. Having the goal to be banned from x or y community or instance.

  • Why!?!?
  • What do you gain?
  • What is the desire here??
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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Might be worth looking at the behaviour of so called leftists on Lemmy.

Many of them openly support and cheer for russia's invasion of Ukraine and support summary killing of Ukrainians ("summary executions in Bucha [and beyond] is a BIA conspiracy!!!" is not a serious statement), openly state that Ukraine does not have the right to self-determination and generally support the extermination of Ukrainian culture, language and identity.

I am from Ukraine, from Donbas (Lugansk) no less. What sort of reaction do you expect when you see alleged leftists cheer for the total occupation of Lugansk by the Russians with BS like "Lugansk is free of da Nasizzz !1!1!".

Or what about Jeromy Corbyn fanboys denying Corbyn's open support for russian genocidal imperialism (keep in mind these type of things get reported in Ukrainian media)? The fucker literally worked for Russia Today (which is managed by russian intel) and cheered the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

As far as I am concerned, I hope all tankies meet the same fate as "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley.

Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

Is this an unreasonable reaction to disgusting tankies? What reaction do you expect?

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

Cheers to you and your people from deep russian suburbs. I'm still puzzled with why someone would celebrate THAT fucking state and it's cancerous expansion. As I always say, I'm open to trade places with some rabid fans from EU/US if they want to see it themselves.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I think while you have a valid point here and it shouldn't be like this... We still have to remember that we're on the internet here. Plus the platform mimics lots of the negative dynamics and elements of the mainstream social media platforms. So that is, to a degree, why it is like it is.

[–] Kenny2999@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the "proper gander" influence that seems to get more creative every year in fueling said negativity.

Imo people are pretty ok on average.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Hmmh. And we tend to dwell in it. There's quite some difference in what I see around me in the real world, and what people make it out to be, what they discuss. Heck, I've even heard the society in the USA, with all the trenched political warfare isn't entirely like it's portrayed and people are still able to share the place with their neighbours or co-workers.

It is deeply problematic, though. At least that's my opinion. A substantial amount of people solely chase the outcry of the day, it's mostly fabricated, plus almost always about what 2 "special" people decide to post on X/TruthSocial. And then everyone is subscribed to simple truths and has to take some extreme position. All the while we're faced with real problems in the world and this mostly takes away and is meant to distract. I blame the attention economy and neoliberalism and I think it's a multifaceted, severe issue with both society and technology. What we should do is have factual conversations and try to face the real challenges we're faced with.

And I do see that as well. Several places on the internet are very nice. Of course not exempt from any general dynamics, but that's part of the game. And once I talk to my neighbours or friends, I see how they're almost exclusively nice people. And I think we can't give up the internet either. That's meant to be a home to constructive people as well, and to have useful debate. I think the Threadiverse has lots of room for improvement, but there's a lot of people trying, and with quite some success.

Yeah. I try to offer people SO much grace and a benefit of doubt over everything. I ignore a rude tone, or baiting but my god its frustrating sometimes.

Lemmy is still a brilliant experience and better than any other social media platform ive ever been on.

[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like not having a common enemy is an issue. We don't have conservatives to dunk on so everyone is releasing that social media energy as you said on each other.

Obviously that also means even the worst places here aren't as bad as other social media.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 5 months ago

We do have our own form of conservatives though. Granted I may be coming at this from an explicitly American stand point. So I'm open to others thoughts. But our "conservatives" have always been authoritarian. Authoritarians are the common enemy. And on the fediverse we certainly have our own authoritarians here as well. Pretty prominent too.

That said, you're always going to have some that go to extremes on one topic or another. Butting heads and stirring up unrest as they jump on everyone not extreme enough in their eyes. Israel Palestine has been heavy with that recently. A lot of people talking passed eachother whom largely agree. In the US the presidential election cycle was like this too. Plenty attacking the only viable challenger of the fascist. Screaming at anyone that acknowledged that it was either going to be the fascist or the Democrat in office. And we'd all prefer the Democrat. Telling us we we're horrible people for acknowledging reality and not being radical enough. It's not going away. It's unfortunately an aspect of human nature.

From time to time we all have to step back and review our own behaviour. To make sure we aren't participating in that sort of behavior ourselves. If everyone did that, things could be better. But my motto is, as long as you aren't authoritarian you aren't explicitly an enemy. And we should work to have a dialogue.

Cross post to involve a different instance and not get too many .world responses

We really should stop talking about Left and Right.
it's very black and white and puts people into a box, dividing them.

There are people who eg. Are Pro Guns and Abortion, where do they fall?

We should focus on specific issue and not group things like Gun Control and Women's health together

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't see an issue. I don't believe in the bubble bs because that has always been how people have been. In the real world you hang out where you feel comfortable and avoid places you don't. I think people should do the same and block as they need. There have always been folk who only stay in a very limited sphere and those who walk the spheres. So good ideas will circulate but bs fud will not. Im a social democracy type and don't care to hear about how its ok to ignore the bill of rights just a bit because of immigants or that once the workers own the means of production we will be in a paradise. I do care to hear about interesting games and read comics and all sorts of other things. I firmly believe as long as we maximally decentralize and give maximum power for the users to control their feeds it will be great.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The constant parroting of "bubble" and "echo chamber terminology" in English language internet is extremely tiring.

Not to say these concepts aren't real, but the issue isn't as simplistic and straightforward as the polemics seem to imply.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I completely agree. Im not saying it does not happen. I think the main thing to me is the internet is no longer majority useful accurate information and a minority of bullshit. Over time it flipped and now the ratio of good information vs bull is so small its more beneficial to filter out massively. Good information has to show its merit make its way forward the way it did in the real world.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Agreed, it's rife with shit these days. Any idiots can contribute to spreading random idiocy. The engagement driven model is beneficial for tech companies' bottom lines, but it's not a good development for the public.

And even outside of that, sometimes you want qualities typically associated with an echo chamber. Even back in the day, to partake in forums you had to lurk and get a feel for the culture, which resulted in better quality overall IMO (although Fediverse is nice, a modern equivalent to forums, just a lot smaller than the totality of forums back then).