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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don't believe that a copy of someone's consciousness, even if a perfect copy, would ever "be" that person. That is, unless you could perform some kind of live-transfer where the live person's sentient persona could intentionally traverse the gap between their original body into the new destination. Otherwise, the original person is just dead and you made a copy.

Edit: The same thing goes for teleportation. If they disassemble the molecules and reassemble the person at the destination, that's probably a copy and the original person died.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I sometimes wonder about that with doing a sort of Ship of Theseus thing with the human brain. By that I mean, say you could just replace the part of the brain that does something minor like processes taste or controls balance with a chip, you'd presumably still be the same person at the core, just with a chip doing some parts for you. But then if you kept going, at what point would it stop being the original person? Are we the sort of lizard-core part of the brain? What if you replaced that but kept the original part that governs intellect? Are we our intellect? Or some combination of the two? Which parts would end the 'original' person's existence if removed? Could we even tell?

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My personal best guess based on philosophy, spirituality, and recent scientific discoveries is that consciousness occurs in some kind of quantum field that is connected to the human brain using quantum effects inside microtubules in neurons. (See this article for some info https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8393322/ )

There may even be a quantum collective consciousness (like Jung's collective unconscious) that our brains have a quantum link integration with.

So it might just depend on whether or not your personal quantum consciousness field could interface with the new stuff or not.

[–] anugeshtu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's just nice knowing that there are some like-minded people thinking about the same things going on here. Some years ago that kind of connection seemed impossible to me. It's about an ever-developing consciousness and maybe some day it will lead to fundamental breakthroughs. The more we learn, the more we make sense of it for having harmony and a great life in general. Maybe our brains are just projections of everything going on in this universe, let it be micro- and macro- cosmos.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think sometimes in an implant that gives support to the brain and replicates the neurons as a backup. When a neuron dies the implant gives the brain the equivalent synthetic neuron.

Them MAYBE the person would live on. Otherwise, the original dies and the CPU goes on.

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On a related note, check out the Netflix show Pantheon.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nice series but the answer to the question is "no, you didn't transfer. The person you are a copy off is dead".

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sounds similar to the film Moon (2009) I don't want to spoil it too much but basically it explores what ifs related to creating clones and how capitalism might abuse the ability to create clones of a real person

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is what mind uploading will be in practice.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Robin Hanson famously predicts a subjectively "long" period of history where we have uploaded laborers and still no AGI. The "Age of Em".

[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm already tortured enough by existence. Why would I want to make an AI version of me so that someone can copy and paste 50,000 copies of a tortured soul?

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Depressed people have babies all the time bro. Don't let it stop you, follow your dreams.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

What's that Zuck? You are in the pool and the ladder has somehow vanished? Oh no.... how terrible for you....

[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Sims 4 is okay, but Doom would be better

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think this runs into the problem of consciousness as a philosophical question.

Humans have a habit of anthropomorphizing animals and even objects that they interact with routinely. My sister has named every car she's owned, for instance. And she occasionally talks to them, particularly when they're acting up or she's stressed in traffic. Does the car have "consciousness" because she sees a pattern of function that she interprets as human behaviors?

At the same time, we tend to dehumanize real human beings who are outside our immediate social circle. We can be much ruder to phone support or sales callers than to family members or close friends or known coworkers engaging with us on the same terms. Racism and bigotry often leads people to denude people of different ethnicities or speaking foreign languages of their humanity.

The Turing Test would suggest the proof of consciousness is merely whether another human believes the thing they're interacting with is conscious. But humans are terrible at making this kind of objective evaluation. If you program a computer to respond like a human, humans will sincerely engage with the computer as a human until the computer exhibits enough non-human flaws to dispel the illusion. At the same time, because humans regularly don't treat other humans as human, what this means in practice could be outright sadistic behavior towards the computer.

All that is to say, it's pretty clear that we're gaslighting each other with the "AI is conscious" line, from a strict technical perspective. But from a practical perspective, its really going to boil down to whether the interactions we have with an AI system are the kind that form sympathetic bonds or the kind that provoke an uncanny valley or ethno-nationalist response.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As to your second paragraph, I have the explanation right here. Really old link, formatting is all jacked up, but bear with it. This is the most important thing I've ever read, explains much of human behavior:

https://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Good old Dunbar's number.

Incidentally, Jason Pargin's got a pen name - David Wong - under which he writes the horror series "John Dies At the End". He incorporates a lot of these themes in his books. "This Book Is Made of Spiders", in particular, just bludgeons you over the head with the idea of in-groups and out-groups being used to manipulate society.

[–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, the plot of Caprica

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I'd rather load them into Dungeon Keeper as bile demons, but this will work I guess.

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