Same thing again: really based post but not a meme, sry :/
this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2025
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Ok, but not voting is harm increasement.
I’m not looking to legitimize settler colonialism, I’m looking to abolish it. Your so-called democracy should not exist in the first place, since it was built with the blood of indigenous and people of color.
The United States is a terrorist state, and voting will never change that.
I'm not American.
The lesser evil is still less evil. Not voting actively makes your goals more unattainable.
Voting is not legitimizing. If that was how voting worked, authoritarian regimes would require votes.
Alright then, don't vote and disenfranchise yourself. We'll see how that works out for you
Current US government is shutdown down because the two sides can't come to an agreement on a budget to include if health care protections should be stripped from some of the most vulnerable.
The people engaged in that decision are there because they were chosen in elections. Trump is president because he was chosen in an election. SCOTUS is stacked with Republican justices because the people that get to pick them were put there in elections.
America still has elections and though the choices may not be great the results are not (yet) predetermined; one of those options is undeniably better. My next election I get to vote on if all children in public school should have access to food.
Yeah, the electoral system is deeply flawed but there's really only two ways to change it--replace the government by force or replace the government by electing people willing to push reforms in enough numbers to do something about it. It's the system we find ourselves in and participation is not an endorsement, but a means to an end.
It should never be "just Vote," but instead "Vote and." If you can spend hours at protests, feeding those in need, hosting theory book clubs, studying, engaging in activism, etc then you can take 1 hour a year to vote.
It's the system we find ourselves in
Abolish the system, and you abolish the problems with it.
I agree, how do you propose we do that? In my comment you just replied to I laid out two options--did you have a third?
yes. organized and armed resistance, followed by methodical purging of fascists afterwards. think kirk neck fountains, but on a larger scale.
Seeing as you have not done that yet, it would appear that voting would be, well, more than you have done :) How do you justify your complacency and subjugation to the system you pretend to loathe?
I need a few liberals to stop being smug little pieces of shit and get off their asses to help. so whever you finally feel like enough minorities have been killed, lemme know.
As a part of at least one of those minorities: fuck you!
You let me know why you thought not filling out a slip of paper was more important than the lives of my brothers and sisters.
I did vote, shitstain, in every election that I've been old enough to participate in. I also vote in my local elections.
wanna try again?
Uh oh, seems they werent anticipating a truly active member of society.
That would be the first proposal:
replace the government by force
awesome, let's do that then.
Are you the one who's going to decide who is Fascist and who isn't? By what criteria exactly?
Sure. But simply ignoring formal politics doesn't achieve anything, either.
I'd go even further than that, and argue that anarchist's disjointed narratives regarding the "formal" election process achieves little more than marginalising radical politics even further whenever the election cycle slips into high gear.
Sure. But simply ignoring formal politics doesn't achieve anything, either.
I’m hearing you say we need to start shooting more people in the neck until the system collapses and we can build something better.
I’m hearing you say we need to start shooting more people in the neck
That's what you heard? Well... then I have to ask - how many divisions do you have?
Thats definitely what i heard too
People aren't ready to hear that the way forward is decentralized communities sharing resources. They want something extremely centralized like communism.
There is benefit in centralization in ensuring standards (such as rail gauge, radio frequency bands, V AC, flight paths, what side of the road you drive on, cohesion of communication symbols, baud rates, pollution mitigation, food quality, etc) and resolving inter communal conflicts, and facilitating complex research and development that would otherwise be unachievable by a smaller group alone (like pharma or clean energy research).
While standards can arise naturally across disparate small groups (such as US rail gauge) a central body can expedite adoption, and enforce standards that are unlikely to arise of their own volition (such as pollution mitigation, and food quality).
That's not to say we ought to exclusively have a monolithic centralized control structure, but that there should be something to help the small groups work together and do what they otherwise couldn't.
So you just missed the part where they said sharing resources? That would include intellectual resources. Tribal meeting could easily achieve what you are suggesting a boot is needed for
So you just missed the part where not all parties are likely to adopt burdensome practices if they can get away with it? What happens if two parties decide not to dump industrial waste in the drinking water and a third party who's further upstream realizes that dumping industrial waste in the drinking water doesn't hurt them, is easy to dispose of in that way, only impacts parties they don't have agreements with downstream, and they just don't care?