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[–] tricerotops@hexbear.net 58 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

the thing i find craziest about the tiananmen square propaganda is that there is a PBS Frontline documentary that is sponsored by the Ford Foundation that interviews people involved in Tiananmen square who say there was no massacre. These people are organizers of the student protests. This documentary (I believe it's called The Gate of Heavenly Peace) was produced in the early 90s and it could be where some of these clips come from (at least that screenshot of the interview looks familiar). I think there is even one interview with one of the organizers who admits their intention was to spark violence.

Anyway I don't really know what the American attitude toward Tiananmen Square at the time was but I saw this documentary a few years ago and was kind of surprised by how against the narrative it is.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

who admits their intention was to spark violence.

She's on camera balling her eyes out people aren't following her orders to go die for the cause. Not metaphorically dying. Like actually, literally dying by charging at tanks and trying to steal guns from troops around the square.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 weeks ago

Anti-communists try and claim that we are in the wrong for taking that traitor at her word.

[–] tricerotops@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

oh yeah i just watched the start of the video, this is from the documentary i mentioned.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

i have actually seen people posting those clips saying “look how brainwashed chinese people are. they say nothing happened even tho they saw it with their own eyes. they must be afraid to tell the truth”

like, at what point does a motherfucker like that ever ask “wait am i the one that was lied to?”. almost never

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think that was mentioned in that video itself. Tell me, is it the documentary where besides this gal named Chai Ling saying that intention, there was this ROC citizen protester Hou Deijian who said something about not witnessing a 'massacre' and exiting the square peacefully (the actual crackdown was outside the square; outskirts of Beijing)

[–] tricerotops@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't recall who was interviewed to be honest, there were a number of people featured in it and i watched it probably 10 years ago at this point. Some were leaders of the student movement and I think at least one of them had since switched sides. Either way the story was farily consistent regardless of who was telling it and it did not describe what the modern narrative is.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There was another, older video on YouTube that debunked the massacre by specifically using that US documentary. It's gone now too.

[–] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have any more details on it than that? I'm guessing not or you probably would have said so, but if you can remember who made it, I might try to see if it's still floating around somewhere.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

https://tankie.tube/w/bUtf7mPidYQVv5S8Kxyeas

I had saved it to my phone years ago. I do this for a lot of videos and other sources when possible for this exact reason. I have reuploaded it to a tankie.tube channel I just made. A lot of details overlap with Hakim's videos but I believe this one shows more of the "mature content" such as images of murdered PLA officers.

[–] Ithharr@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Would you be so kind as to post a link to that if you get a chance? It'd be worth seeing.

[–] tricerotops@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No I don't have a link to it, sorry. I'm sure it's out there on the internet somewhere. It may even be on the PBS Frontline page, I know they host a lot of their documentaries there for free.

[–] VladimirLimeMint@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I found it. Weird how DuckDuckGo always comes up results when searching anything for me but not any other engine 😂

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RA-UQyCZskA

[–] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair, one of the most well known events in US history is The Boston Massacre. I bet you wouldn't guess that only five people died. Tianenmen Square was more of a massacre than that, though obviously both are for political purposes.

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Meanwhile 100s of Hitler appreciation video essays, orientalist anti-China, and Islamophobic videos are still online.

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 2 weeks ago

Saw that yesterday, that's fucked and he's not the only one affected. Vikas Music' Charlie Kirk mock music video also got taken down some days ago.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 weeks ago

Anticommunists suppressing something favourable to the People’s Republic of China? Oh, the irony…

[–] WilliamA@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I would advise using tankie.tube

The video is available there + it's self-hostable + decentralized + free as in freedom / libre (definition: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) + it's a community of tankies free from ultras, centrists, and right wingers like lemmygrad.

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

Seconding this, the more established we have our own spaces the better off we are.

[–] VladimirLimeMint@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I was on tankie tube but the encoding taken way too long every upload. Sometime they failed after an hour of buffering and I had to re-upload. I unfortunately self doxed because I uploaded with my personal username and had to delete the channel. That's another thing you can't change pf name. BTW I was the person who uploaded this video, and hardcoded sub with ffmpeg. The account name I used on reddit was permabanned along with the sub shutdown for making 9/11 meme. I also recently uploaded Dead to Rights and 731.

[–] funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where can I find 731? A search doesn't seem to find it ._.

[–] VladimirLimeMint@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Here it is comrade. https://archive.org/details/evil-unbound-731-2025

Also, Dead to Rights. https://archive.org/details/dead-to-rights-2025

You can also click the username and will find like a dozen of other movies and videos I've uploaded. I'm still uploading more, right now hardcoding English sub to Young Karl Marx. It's a little hard to search on IA.

[–] solarwinds123@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago

I'm seeding this and encourage anyone capable to do the same.

[–] Ithharr@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hakim also brought this up on the 200'th deprogram episode when talking about the reddit takedown & several of his videos getting narced right alongside stating that he'll likely put up another one and go overboard with the sourcing.

Interestingly Mr. Terry History's response & discussion to it is still up. Along with the full video which is... mildly comical.

[–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's kinda funny to me that theory was a brief period where Mr Terry started reacting to Hakim. Iirc he honestly wasn't very bad faith, and pretty open to learning other narratives.

I assume he stopped cuz chuds in the comments were mad. But those few videos were definitely an interesting little expirement to say the least.

[–] Ithharr@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Mr. Terry thankfully hasn't. The last one he put out that was of interest was tracking the history of mass deportations in the USA and he's still avoiding bad-faith argumentation which is pretty decent.

If you want "so close but endlessly infuriating by regurgitating state propaganda" in comparison, there's the work/job-hunt focused Damon Cassidy. Will point out flaws, will talk to people who are aware of these flaws, and will talk to trade unionists then.... talk about their personal want to talk to Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs (who is anti-union, has questionable views on secondary education, and is on a good day an american libertarian.)

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What was the official reason why they deleted it?

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Maeve1@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Carl@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

possibly a mass-reporting campaign, terminally online right wingers are very active right now

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

right wingers are very active right now

Hey now, don't sell libs short; they also hate information that doesn't reinforce their existing beliefs

[–] Ithharr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

Outside of the "my decorum" pearl-clutching, the difference between right-winger & liberal is painfully small. Even worth calling it non-extant.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Libs ARE right wingers.

[–] Maeve1@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

True, proof isn't required, usually.

[–] saolandarwinf@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Nice video, I didn't see it before it was taken down.