I've been searching and finding circular logic and corporate level no-speak. Is there an official post clarifying as in YES or NO weather lemmy.world is defederating threads? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Techpriest@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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I've gotten so tired of the non-stop reddit/lemmy/mastodon/threads drama I pulled the plug on all recurring donations for the foreseeable future. Thanks to threads the fedverse is starting the reddit style drama cycles and I'm pretty much over trying to sort through it.

I know I can block content, my concern is my refusal to donate to an outfit that supports meta or similar properties.

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[-] autumn@reddthat.com 45 points 1 year ago

Threads hasn't even implemented ActivityPub yet, and there's no guarantee it will do so in the future. Or even that it will implement it in a way that links with lemmy.

I personally haven't seen a post from lemmy.world admins pledging to block threads. Even if you do, take it with a grain of salt.

I've personally blocked communities and users that talk about reddit/threads all the time. It's cool that they have a space to do it, I'm just not super into those topics right now and can always unblock them later.

[-] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Deleted my first post, as I'm confusing myself. No official post has been on lemmy.world regarding the upcoming fiasco. However, the mastodon.world account on Mastodon has stated that they will NOT be defederating, and will take a "wait and see" stance.

https://mastodon.world/@mwadmin/110654590632768079

Bear in mind that mastodon.world is hosted and administered by the same person as lemmy.world. They didn't specifically say that lemmy.world will have the same standpoint, but I hope not. Even though I am very new to the Fediverse, I already view the .world servers as a home, and I would hate to leave. I do believe that Meta is a known bad actor. EDITED: I'm torn over the whole thing, but I know I want nothing to do with Meta.

[-] downpunxx@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I’ll be watching closely, and if I see any META THREADS bullshit show up on this instance’s community titles / comments I’m gonna send a strongly worded message. Then I’m going to find another fucking instance to move my account to.

[-] DevCat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

https://www.distractify.com/p/does-threads-allow-nsfw

I'm thinking the answer will be "no federation with threads".

[-] throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago

The same admin with lemmy.world has posted this on mastodon

https://mastodon.world/@mwadmin/110654590632768079

[-] eleitl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml announced proactive defederation from Threads, so you can donate to direct development.

[-] TheBenCrazy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No post has been made that I know of. Mastodon's CEO laid out his stance in the post below and I would hope Lemmy would follow with them.

Lots of echo chambering going on in here about EEE and Meta profiting off of everything. In reality, they can scrape data like anyone else, the profit from such small communities is negligible, and defederating meta would only hurt those that defederated because way more users than people here think will want to see and manage Threads while also not needing a Threads account to avoid the data hell that it is.

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

[-] Ninth3891@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

@TheBenCrazy I am actually dumb here but feels like your argument is like this :
"The thief can still take your stuffs even if you lock your door, and in fact it would actually be more beneficials if you just welcome the thief with open arm and not lock your door at all."

@Techpriest

[-] masterspace@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's more like locking your door and barring it up really good and making it inconvenient for you to get in or out and makes your place less appealing to others, and at the same time you've got several wide open doors behind you.

Federating from threads accomplishes nothing. It's just echo chamber hysteria. Threads isn't even organized around communities, it's organized around people, by default no Threads users would be in Lemmy communities and we wouldn't see any of their content.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Sure Facebook's parent company Meta can scrape the content already because it's public but without federating their users cant bring in their toxic Instagram mentality into our places.

[-] masterspace@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao at you complaining about toxicity when you're toxically judging and gatekeeping 2 Billion people.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

and every.single.one.of.them

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

defederating meta would only hurt those that defederated

That's a bit too simplistic. Defederation has many consequences, some subtle. It depends on personal preferences wether the sum is beneficial. Specifically, some people see it as an advantage to not see content coming from Threads, and not share theirs with Threads.

way more users than people here think will want to see and manage Threads

I'm doubtful, but maybe. We don't have numbers on this.

We also don't need to reach a consensus. Maybe there is demand for instances which are defederated and demand for instances which are federated. People can choose where to have an account (which includes the option to have more than one account), people can try to inform themselves about an instance's policy, and they can try to influence an instance. This is all fine, fediverse working as intended.

[-] tryagain@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I can foresee a situation where lots of lemmings will have two accounts.

[-] TheBenCrazy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Agree and understand that users don't want to be flooded with Thread posts. I think until the user is able to block on their own, the main mastodon.social and lemmy should stay federated as most new users go there. If they don't want to see threads, then they can move to one that defederated. But only until the users have the ability to block threads on their own, then it should be the users choice.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

the main mastodon.social and lemmy should defederate as most new users go there. If they want to see threads, then they can move to one that federated

Works in both ways ;) Depends on personal preference. I would strongly prefer my instance (and instances I visit) to defederate Threads.

[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Facebook can bootstrap their product with federated content made by users who are in the fediverse because they don’t want to support a company like Facebook. By not defederating, you would be helping Facebook every time you post a comment or make a post because you would be giving Facebook free content to further their for-profit goals.

Edit: they’ll also probably be taking fediverse content and displaying it with ads to monitize the content you all made.

[-] Coelacanth@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The worry about EEE is actually not my primary concern at the moment. And it's not data collection either, though I hate what Meta is doing there.

I'm not interested in Threads "content" on my front page here. And boy will it ever be all over the "All" page thanks to Threads users outnumbering all of the Fediverse by many magnitudes. The poor algorithm is not going to show you any new Lemmy content anymore with all the engagement Threads posts is going to get.

Then there are the comments in communities here. If you've felt happy that this community has better atmosphere and discussions than the dreg you'd be served on Reddit, just wait until we open the door for hundreds of millions of Facebook commenters.

I love the community that is building on Lemmy. If I wanted to participate in the community on Meta I'd be on Instagram or Facebook or Threads.

But I don't. That's why I'm here.

[-] TheBenCrazy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thats fair and completely understand. I feel it should be the users choice to block the content they don't want to see as opposed to a complete cut off for all users but from previous comments I've gotten, that is not possible yet. Maybe within the apps it would be possible atm but if the only way to not see the content is to defederate, then that makes sense to me.

I do still feel that for the bigger mastodon.social and lemmy, they should not defederate since most new users will go there and if they dont want to see the flood of Thread posts, then they can move to a group that defederated.

[-] Ignacio@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There should be a way to block or hide specific topics, like it can be done on Mastodon. The only way I see is to unsubscribe from communities/magazines where the Threads topic is or can be discussed.

[-] twopercentethan@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

What does this mean? What's going on?

[-] Parastie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think it makes more sense letting individuals block what they want instead of at the server level. If you don't want Meta trash, just preemptively block it.