One more lunatic law to add to the pile, Singapore is really not a nice place.
this post was submitted on 29 Aug 2025
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That beats the death penalty.
They detained me and held me for like 2 hours arriving at the airport for my tobacco vape like a fucking decade ago. And it just got worse from there. Not a fan of that place. We are simply not compatible haha
getting banned irl is crazy lol
Nice. Stuff is gross and terrible for people's lungs.
Stuff is mostly benign and orders of magnitude safer than smoking. Also far less gross, considering tar isn’t a component.
It's gross and terrible for bystanders' lungs, considering they didn't consent. And unfortunately, it's all too common to walk through a cloud of vape smoke when you're not vaping.
Considering how little potential danger there is to the person directly inhaling the vaporized liquid, you have less to fear from second-hand vape than you do from living in a big city (with regard to quality of air).
Still tacky to vape indoors around other people who don’t like it, but you genuinely have essentially nothing to worry about second-hand. It’s like being around a fog machine.
It triggers a bunch of reactions for me due to sensitivity, so I'll thank you not to minimise the concerns other people may have.
Not to mention, why does there even have to be health concerns to be against the fact that other people are directly polluting the air I'm currently breathing up close and personal (and stinking up my clothes).
Lack of long-term data doesn’t equal benign. Smoking used to be considered safe for pregnancy and overall health. It took awhile to figure out, and companies and society to accept, why people were dying. Vaping still has a noticeable impact on cardiovascular health, chronic inflammation of the respiratory tract, and still contain known carcinogens although in smaller quantities. We don’t know the full effects yet and they definitely are experimenting in real time and publicly with flavoring and chemical compositions, which makes them rather dangerous imo. You can argue it’s better than smoking (that we know of) at this point in time but I’d be careful downplaying the risks too much. There is just a lot of data we don’t have yet.
There is plenty of data we do have. Obviously we don’t have long-term data, but we also stand on the shoulders of all the scientific work that has been done leading up to now.
The biggest unknowns come from poor manufacturing standards and unknown effects from flavoring. We know how vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol inhalation affect us, they’ve been used in fog machines for ages (and PG is pumped into some hospital air vents). We know the effect nicotine has on the body. If you’re smart about sourcing your flavoring and avoid the obviously dangerous chemicals like butter flavoring, and you’re careful about your hardware, you can seriously minimize the risks involved.
Just like everything in life, it’s about risk management. We do all sorts of shit in our lives that’s more dangerous than vaping. Hell, living in a large city full of old vehicles is probably worse for you than vaping. Obviously not vaping is healthier than vaping. But vaping is so much healthier than smoking, and I can say that with complete confidence. I don’t want to be rude, but adding the “(that we know of)” about being safer in comparison to smoking is absurd.
When done properly, there is no combustion. (And when there is, oh boy do you know it.) That alone makes it safer. No tar, no ash, none of the myriad carcinogenic chemicals released by combusting plant matter. Even if you were just dry vaporizing tobacco it would be safer than smoking, but this is a step further. The nicotine has been extracted, you also cut out all the shit that comes with tobacco leaves.
I don’t vape myself, but I did years ago. It was not hard to minimize the risks.
I think you make a lot of solid points, I’m still just concerned about what we don’t know: primarily the chronic long-term effects of repeated use. Hanging out by a fog machine a couple times a month for a few hours or diffuse short-term exposures as a disinfectant in a hospital hvac system isn’t the same as someone directly sucking on a vape dawn until dusk. We don’t have a full generation to look at yet. But we will. There’s a lot of money to be made but give it two generations of data and there may be some trends popping up we can’t ignore.
I add my snarky () because unforeseen consequences do happen. There may be something we’re not catching. Something we simply won’t know until we know it. I’m not advocating for smoking, I’m just saying, be careful assuming a rapidly adopted product to save an industry under attack is really as harmless as it’s touted to be. History has shown something picked up as quickly as vaping and woven into society rarely comes without unforeseen consequences.
Also, most of the studies seem to be comparisons in realms we know smoking is damaging, but what about other less studied areas like long-term cognition or auto-immune disorders? I hope I’m wrong but it’s one of those time will tell scenarios. I think it’s better to just quit smoking if that’s the issue and for young people to be aware that “at least it’s not cigarettes” shouldn’t discount the potential risks. And whatever you do for god sake don’t chew!
Total BS.
Stuff is gross
Not really, when I vaped, you could not tell if I had just taken a puff in a room 10 minutes after. You can tell a cig had been lit up in a room for HOURS if not days
This also tells me you've never been in a smoker's home or seen the inside of an electronic device that had been. That's gross.
terrible for people's lungs.
Not really, every study on it I've ever read that said it was "horrible" used unrealistic conditions to get there. Like setting their "vape rig" to 1000°. No one is sitting their vapes to 1000°. Most don't even go over like 200
I could take a huge hit on my vape and go for a 1.5 mile run easy. Ask a smoker if they could do that.
(Note: I quit because of upkeep reasons, not health)
Now if you want to talk about something about vaping that IS disgusting and wrong, let's talk about how the big cig manufacturers moved in to the industry and dominated with their shitty environmental disasters that are disposable vapes. Those need to go burn in hell (a long with the companies).
Back when this all started it was full of nearly fully reusable and rebuild-able tanks and mods
I agree if we're talking about nicotine vapes.
Cannabis vapes, on the other hand... Best invention ever.
No.
Yes. Unlike nicotine vapes, they're all natural. So long as it's not distillate, you're inhaling pure cannabis concentrate.
Nicotine vapes, on the other hand, are made with nicotine salts suspended in propylene glycol. It's all lab-made synthetic crap. Still better than inhaling tar, but also an order of magnitude worse for you than weed vapes. The statistics don't lie; if you're going to inhale something to catch a buzz, at least make it something that has been scientifically proven to be not only safe, but even neuroprotective.
Cannabis saved my life. I can go into detail as to how, but I have a feeling that you don't care.