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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

(I posted this comment in the other thread as well)


I banned all cellphones and computer-based note taking in the classroom, with the exception that students could use a device if they wrote with a stylus.

I get the cell phones, for most classes you won't need to have it out aside from taking an occasional photo of diagrams.

However, I've always thought that it was silly to have this stance on computers. Not everyone has access to an iPad or nice Wacom device, nor stylus compatible software that matches their workflow / note-taking style. I tried a lot of them and never found one I liked.

The article cites that same decade-old paper, which suggests that handwritten notes have better retention. If you actually look at the paper, here is the design of the commonly cited study:

Students generally participated 2 at a time, though some completed the study alone. The room was preset with either laptops or notebooks, according to condition. Lectures were projected onto a screen at the front of the room. Participants were instructed to use their normal classroom note-taking strategy, because experimenters were interested in how information was actually recorded in class lectures. The experimenter left the room while the lecture played.

Next, participants were taken to a lab; they completed two 5-min distractor tasks and engaged in a taxing working memory task (viz., a reading span task; [...]). At this point, approxi- mately 30 min had elapsed since the end of the lecture. Finally, participants responded to both factual-recall questions (e.g., “Approximately how many years ago did the Indus civilization exist?”) and conceptual-application questions (e.g., “How do Japan and Sweden differ in their approaches to equality within their societies?”) about the lecture and completed demographic measures.

The advantage of typed notes is being able to reformat the notes over time and to go back and fill in details after class. If students don't get the opportunity to do that, then yes it makes sense that the more cognitively demanding method of taking notes would give better recall.

This also depends a lot on the type of course being taught, which I didn't see when I skimmed the NYT article:

I’ve taught the same course to a class of undergraduate, M.B.A., medical and nursing students every year for over a decade

What's true is that laptops can be distracting to other students around you if you are doing something else (ex. watching sports / e-sports was common). If profs want to reduce that without policing what people are doing in class, having a "laptop section" in a back corner of the classroom works nicely

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[–] hisao@ani.social 30 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I disagree that writing by hand is magically improving information absorbtion/retention. Source: I've been doing it through all of my school and all of my uni. Being half-asleep, pondering something completely irrelevant, and in general course material flying completely over my head while I write it down was a norm most of the time. And lecturers dictating their stuff at high speeds didn't help either. Maybe there is some temporary novelty effect after you switch from one way of writing to another, but I wouldn't expect that last long.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I switched from using paper notebooks to take lecture notes to using a computer for most classes around 2nd year of college and it was about the same. I mostly used the notes for spaced repetition when going over the material again a week or so after the lecture and helped keep my focus on the material during the lectures. It's also easier to share notes with a study group if they're already digital.

Your review process is making the difference here. Handwriting vs computer notes is looking at the difference without reviewing the notes afterward.

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[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I exclusively wrote everything down with a pen, since I was not going to bring a laptop everywhere and somehow get it to stay powered for so many hours. Not to mention that it would have been terrible to draw schematics etc.

The best were those courses where you could prepare a "cheat sheet", so then I go over everything and put key information and formulas into a word document. So I go over my notes, then have to filter them and then write the key things again. Maximum retention, as I can tell you 10 years later.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I don't care. Mostly because we already have examples of what classes were like without them and the people who are reliant on them now will adapt and learn to cope if they're taken away.

Additionally, people only think about what phones could be used for in class that they'd disapprove of, rather than things it might actually be useful for. I've personally had great success with recording lessons/lectures, and being able to refer back to them. This allowed me to ask more questions and take more time to understand the subject. Taking photos of diagrams? Awesome. Having a note document that I could reformat that was legible? Awesome.

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[–] elucubra@piefed.social 12 points 1 week ago

Ex university prof here (instructor actually. Lowest monkey up the tree). Duuuh! No shit Sherlock!

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 12 points 1 week ago
[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

My issue is that I type faster than I write. I think instead they should push for something like audio/memo recorders.

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[–] Keyboard@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

😂😂😂😂 I don’t think so . Just anxiety to have it back

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

hey. it occurs to me too late that you might have taken exception to the tone of my previous remark. i had intended it to be genuinely helpful but im afraid it came out as world weary and, well, a little unpleasant. and i didn't actually offer you any recovery resource. I just basically said "you got a problem lol gl" which is an enormous dickhead move in retrospect.

here. check out https://smartrecovery.org/

it's a science-based alternative to the twelve step programs you might be hesitant to join due to their religious infuence. they have lots of in-person meetings and online too. i personally get more value out of in-person but everyone has their own preference and it's nice to be able to make a meeting wherever I am.

the general philosophy can be summed up, "you have a choice." it teaches that unpleasant emotions like anxiety are generally transient and offers strategies for coping with urges and building a balanced lifestyle. it offers a toolkit and an adaptable method.

it does focus generally speaking on substance addiction, but recognizes that addiction takes many forms. sex addiction, gambling, shopping, intimacy, trichotillomania, and yes, phone addiction. the most recent addiction to our meeting group is a young trans woman who struggles with self-harm urges. addiction is not something to be ashamed of, and it's more common than you think.

please check it out. you don't have to live in service to that anxiety.

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