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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 days ago

The American economy is three pyramid schemes in a trench coat

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 165 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (16 children)

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SAF112

Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers: Meats, Poultry, Fish, and Eggs in U.S. City Average (Seasonally Adjusted)

Entire Time Series (1967+) Normalized to '82-'84 =100:

Last 5 Years (2020+), Renormalized to 100 = Jan 2020:

So, yeah, thats about 35% increase in 5 years, if you specifically look at the Meat Poultry Fish Eggs component of the CPI.

The CPI numbers, the, '2.5%' inflation number... thats ~~month to month~~ the last 12 months, annualized, like an APR, ... and they are a weighted basket of many, many different subcomponents such as this.

Sort of analagous to how a say, 10% APR... well, thats annualized, so to get the monthly interest rate, you roughly divide by 12... but technically it is more complicated, because that monthly interest rate is actually compounding every month over month.

So the acutal monthly rate is:

MPR = [ ( 1 + APR ) ^ ( 1 / 12 ) ] - 1

If you treat an ~35% increase over almost 5 years with this kind of math, then you end up with an average, effective monthly inflation rate for meat and eggs of:

~~6.642%, since Jan 2020.~~

EDIT: I fucked up the math, goddamned javascript based web calculator on shitty mobile phone,.here's something more accurate:

4.984%, since July 2020.

(I'm basically just doing napkin math here, picking specifically July 2020 just because its the 5Y window, normally you'd use a longer period of stability to base this off of, but hopefully ya'll get the idea)

Also worth noting, the latest August numbers are of course backward looking, in time. So, if these price pics in the OP image are literally from today... they may not be reflected in the numbers untill next month.

... Assuming Trump has not destroyed the BLS/FRED by then, who fucking knows.

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Why doesn't this line up with broader inflation?

Well, lots of reasons, I'm going to pick probably the biggest one, as opposed to writing an entire PhD level dissertation...

The CPI, the big headline number... is based on an average basket of goods and services that, ie, a weighted index, and uh... that basket, those weights, represent the average, the mean... not the median.

Here's 2022.

https://www.bls.gov/cex/tables/calendar-year/mean-item-share-average-standard-error/cu-income-before-taxes-2022.pdf

Yep thats a household that makes $94k before taxes, $83k after taxes.

In 2022, the US Median after tax household income was... $64k.

So, the entire basket, and thus CPI, is thus weighted toward the spending patterns of people about 1 standard deviation higher than the median household income.

Rich people do not have the same spending basket as poorer people, poorer people disproportionally spend a lot more of their income on food, rent/mortgage, gas / car expenses...

... And as wealth disparity, and wealth transfer to the elites gets worse and worse, the reported CPI thus underreports actual inflation for more and more people.

........

Hope all these fun numbers help explain some things.

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EDIT 2:

Without having to doing a bunch of math yourself...

Probably look at the CPI-U series and components instead of the broader CPI... as the U refers to Urban, and something like 80% of Americans live in what is considered an Urban area.

So looking at the CPI-U is probably a relatively easy way to get a somewhay more realistic look at price levels that actual people pay... but the flipside is that the wealthy disparity is even more lopsided in Urban areas... uh, good luck, lol.

.........

The financial news and media still focus on the broader CPI... basically because of outdated tradition.

Much like how they almost never pay attention the BLS employment number revisions... unless they are very very bad.

You don't need to be very smart to have money, basically just lucky. Or ruthless.

.......

EDIT 3

Ok, using the actual numbers from OP Image... maybe this can demonsrate the power of compound interest.

Thats a 1y difference of +45.496%, in $/lb of beef.

All it takes to get that, in one year...

Is an average, compounding, 3.1742% price increase every month, for 12 months.

Exponential equations run away fast, and human brains tend to default to thinking of linear relationships... not exponential... and thats why credit card companies make so much money, lol.

Anyway, yeah, check this CPI U meat/eggs subcomponent next month to see august price levels, and if they do a massive jump, or if data is now considered a woke diversity hire and now banned shrug

[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wow this is a great write up

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I am an unemployed econometrician, and laughing about it.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This was a great read. Thanks for taking the time to post this.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

How dare this user assault U.S. with egghead facts and numbers. Doesn't he know they're eating the cats?!

USA! USA!

/s

[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

You're leaving out the substitution principle.

If a can of Spam becomes cheaper than actual meat then the CPI will substitute them as "equal". Cheese Wiz is just as "cheese" as stuff that comes out of a cow.

CPI is nothing but a gamed statistic. It's fake. Even then they can't pretend all is hunky dory.

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This was very informative, thanks for taking the time to write it.

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[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 177 points 5 days ago (10 children)

People need to learn that when they hear 'inflation is down', it doesn't mean things are getting cheaper, it just means that the increase in cost is slowing down.

Is it a psychological tactic that news media is using to make consumers more complacent? Who knows. But, whenever I hear someone mention that phrase like things are improving, I die a little more each time.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How it feels when headlines celebrate that inflation is down:

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The inflation figure is an annual figure though. It means things are 2.7% more expensive than they were last year. OP is showing an example nearer 60%.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's actually showing 47%. The price is based on pounds which increased from $10.99 to $15.99.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Since it's from April to August, it's actually showing 31% annual.

And since a sample size of one, and the location is redacted (could be comparing Texas with NYC or Hawaii) it's showing nothing.

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And meat prices are factored into a CPI I presume.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 days ago (7 children)

if inflation made my paycheck go up, that'd be great. As it stands I have a LOT less buying power and my industry is waffling so I'm only seeing 2% increases for years.

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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 115 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Brazil is the largest exporter of meat and Trump is tariffing them 50%

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 14 points 4 days ago (8 children)

so, more than 2.7% in that category. almost like that claimed 2.7% is an intentionally misleading choice of "measure" of central tendency.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 119 points 5 days ago (5 children)

They use a "basket of goods" that conveniently has nothing to do with how real people actually live.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 75 points 5 days ago (2 children)

According to our studies: accordion straps, horse shoes, goat bladder, those antenna from old TVs, and musket shot prices have all remained stable! Inflation solved!

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You joke but musket shot ie. Soft lead is actually up as well.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

2.7% for the rich, they don't care what the serfs eat

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 50 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Lab grow all meats. Problem solved. Too bad Trump and his stupid MAGA base are against it. Timeline blows.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

Lab grown meat isn't currently scalable at that level. Wish it were but unfortunately not. Consider not eating meat 👍 it's cheaper

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I mix my meat with veggies and carbs to make it go longer

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I think thats just called a balanced diet man /s

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Nah, that's not balanced yet. You gotta take the combined weight of all that other stuff, and eat twice that in bread and carbs.

this post brought to you by the old food pyramid

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

Then why are states banning it on behalf of Big Ag lobbyists? If it’s not a threat, why would they?

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[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why would a capitalist company making fake beef be any less inclined to upcharge on fake beef compared to real beef?

They both have lines that must go up.

[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 days ago

Sure, but if no one can afford to buy artificially inflated real meat prices, that's a good reason to sell fake beef at a price where people can afford it.... And THEN you start to increase the price of that too, but only once a Democrat is president so people can freak out like they did with egg prices

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[–] zululove@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Grow your own food.

Start supporting your local animal farms and find yourself a butcher.

It’s time to become self dependent and we are in a unique period of time where we have the knowledge and material to do it on an individual and hopefully local level.

A lot of people already do this, just not the ones in your circle!

[–] Snothvalpen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hi, I live in a rented apartment, what can I do?

[–] zululove@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Hmm that’s tuff bro.

have to get creative.

Look up urban farming and still try get to know everyone at your local farmers market.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Beef, in particular, has experienced an intense price shock following a national shortage of cattle, with the national herd at a 73-year low.

This stems from severe drought conditions that have been plaguing the cattle-heavy mountain west for the better part of the last decade. Higher feed prices have also contributed to rising prices. But even beyond that, demand for beef continues to outpace the supply, driving prices upward as the raw supply of cattle falls.

I guess vegans can kinda-sorta rejoice. We're killing fewer cows and wasting less animal product, as the conditions of our country making herding both environmentally and ecologically unsustainable. This has spurred more investment into alt-meats, while also forcing states to grapple with how they're expending diminished water reserves.

But since we live in a plutocracy, I'm not sure we'll get better policy out of these material changes to the ecology. Mark Zuckerberg can keep force-feeding his Austin steers buckets of macadamia nuts while his AI factors belch CO^2^ and guzzle potable water long after the rest of us are living in Gaza-like conditions.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We've been importing beef primarily from Brazil to make up the shortfall. Guess what country got a 50% tariff that has stuck?

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Because they're "not nice to us". Lmao. Fucking peach pedophile there.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I guess vegans can kinda-sorta rejoice. We’re killing fewer cows and wasting less animal product, as the conditions of our country making herding both environmentally and ecologically unsustainable. This has spurred more investment into alt-meats, while also forcing states to grapple with how they’re expending diminished water reserves.

I switched to being a vegetarian proper about a year ago, and its been a little validating that my grocery bills went down even when meat was more affordable, but now is dramatically cheaper since Quorn and Impossible meat haven't inflated in price at all (and are even more affordable when picked up in bulk on sale for the freezer).

Those two alternatives are astonishingly good, even enabling me to convert my lifelong meat eating family to vegetarianism which was unreal to see. I can't even tell I'm not eating meat in all the meat-based dishes I use them in, they're so damn good. Also nice to avoid the increased cancer risk from red meat.

For anyone else reading this, I massively recommend giving those two meat alternatives a shot. Impossible is 1-to-1, and the Quorn only needs a good vegan bullion cube of whatever meat you're trying to replicate (or Marmite for Beef flavor) and it's perfect for anything.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm gonna drop this here. No reason. Probably the same no reason they chose this topic last week.

Planet Money (podcast)

What happens when governments cook the books
August 8, 202510:48 PM ET
By Mary Childs, Sally Helm, Jess Jiang, Sam Yellowhorse Kesler

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/08/1256971798/bls-bureau-labor-statistics-greece-argentina

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