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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Michael would definitely be the one to lack class consciousness, not Pam

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Michael would be aware for everyone, but he would get it wrong constantly

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"I DECLARE SOCIALISM!"

"...you can't just declare socialism."

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

If only socialism were like shenanigans

Moreover, I think he'd be a pawn for a pseudo-communist, totalitarian regime. Draped in party-supplied luxuries, he'd still imagine himself a member of the proletariat and a champion for its cause. That's my take on a Stalinist version of the office anyway.

The number of "capitalists" with a negative net worth and assets that generate little or no profit is astounding. They're just going through a hard time, though. They're going to be one of the few that makes it.

[–] crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org 30 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

There is no such thing as middle class, you're either in the capitalist class or working class.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes there is ... middle class are the people that believe there is a middle class, without knowing that they are actually working class

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

"There's no such thing as a rectangle, you're either a parallelogram or you're not a parallelogram."

The idea of a middle class has absolutely nothing to do with socialism analysis of class relations; it's simply a measure of quality of life.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

A measure of quality of life quite vague and incalculable because as humans we tend to manage money poorly sometimes in our lives.

The idea of a middle class is just capitalist propaganda to get 9-5 workers who earn significantly more than blue collar workers but look like 0 along with other lesser paid jobs when looking at wealth chart that has Billionaires

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[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

There is, but it isn't the liberal middle class that's some arbitrary amount of money you earn as a salary, but petty bourgeois or in other words small business owners.

They're in an unique position where they both own a business and live off of that income but are also forced to work in these businesses alongside their employees due to them not being wealthy enough to fully offload everything about it to the working class.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's funny how corporations rebranded workers into collaborators and entrepreneurs, and ironic how many idiots fell for that. "No, I'm not a worker, I'm a COLLABORATOR!!"

I'm a mercenary, thank you.

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

*wage slave

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

"I don't wanna lose these chains! They're all that I have!"

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

The last thing I want to hear is how great capitalism is - as told by someone that capitalism refers to as capital.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

The person who happily answers "yup" to the first two questions isn't going to understand the meaning of "You're a worker."

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 3 weeks ago

But you have a truck. A truck! Don't worry about driving for less than minimum wage as an owner-operator.

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago

I agree. I can nearly taste it.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

what's wrong with being a worker? Who is this post making fun about?

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

This post is not making fun of workers. Too often we see workers identify with rich capitalists and see their own lack of capital as a personal failing. But once we recognize the difference between the two classes we can dispel ourselves of that notion.

Members of the working class sell their labor in order to gain money and buy the necessities of life. The ruling class buys labor in order to see a profit on the money they already have. Since capitalism compels the capitalist to make a profit, they must pay the worker a fraction of the value that the worker creates. (The business owner wants to stay in business and the shareholders demand every-increasing value.) Hence we should not consider ourselves capitalists: we are workers who are being exploited, as necessitated by the system.

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[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People thinking they're capitalists.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, is "worker" considered a bad word?

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 12 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

By people who consider themselves upper class, yes

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[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Nah, we're still light years away from class consciousness given how much stupid shit the self-proclaimed "class conscious" people write and who they support.

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are ideological capitalists and capital holders.

There are people who are capital holders who are ideologically left economically, some instances as far as full socialist.

There are people who hold little to no capital at all but believe capitalism is the best possible system.

As a percentage of their respective classes though, the later class traitor is unfortunately more common than the former class traitor.

[–] salty_chief@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

No I do not work. I use to work so guess I graduated to Capitalist?

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)
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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think we can be both. Most of our pensions depend on it for growth.

Might as well put it with the rich people money, because they rule everything and aren't about to let that shit sink in the long term...

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