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[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 52 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We’d love to do the same here in the Netherlands but we don’t have any mountains to tunnel through :-/

[–] drivepiler@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Ok hear me out; Underground tunnel

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

The Netherlands is like European Florida. They are right at sea level lol. That would be tricky to do.

[–] omxxi@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago

in fact 26% of the country is under the sea level, that's the reason of the name "nether land"

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just do like Disney did for the utilidor at Magic Kingdom and bring in dirt to cover the "underground" tunnel!

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Pointing out, sea level.

[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

You just have to find a molehill. It's easy to make mountains out of.

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Oh lots more detail in that. Thanks!

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 19 points 6 days ago

I want it. Where I'm at, it's over 100f for quite a bit of the year. A nice bike area would be awesome.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago
[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As an American who has visited Norway a few times, I'm always impressed with their infrastructure.

Yes, I admit, I did drive.

Anyways, I loved the roundabouts inside the tunnels. The U.S. won't even get their shit together to put in roundabouts on regular roads.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The thing about us nordics is that we're actually car-centric, our infrastructure makes driving comfortable and convenient by keeping the people who actively don't want to drive off the roads, and we actually use logic to design the roads.

For example you'll note that the vast majority of roads here only have one lane in each direction, with more lanes added only at junctions. Because adding lanes in the middle of a road barely ever helps, the junctions are where you need to do fancy stuff because they're the bottleneck in the system. Hence why we also really really like roundabouts.

The US isn't car-centric, it's just outright incorrectly designed and if anything makes driving as miserable as it can possibly be, for most people. Sitting trapped in your car in bumper-to-bumper traffic is barely a thing up here.

The roads I travel daily follow the old cow paths from the farms into Boston's markets.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think the US ranks #6 or 7 in total number of roundabouts. Per capita and per km of road is a different story, but total roundabouts is over 11K in the US, we just have ~6.8 Million kilometers of roads. That's more than China, and just a smidge less than India.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Could still use more. I was very disappointed that my home town put up new lights recently.

We have a big center of town rotary and a few small ones. So, it's not like it would've been an odd choice.

I even wrote a letter to the editor in our small paper. Oh well. 🫀

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely! See if you can get an IKEA to move into your city. They generally build out the areas they're built in and they use roundabouts everywhere they can.

There's already an IKEA a couple towns over.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

if the lighting is consistent that's a great way to inform how far along you are in the tunnel

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

That's just a dream

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's one thing the musk tunnel thing would be good for, creating a network of underground bike paths. No hills, no cars, straight paths, etc.

[–] bassad@jlai.lu 1 points 4 days ago

Biking or walking, and even driving, in a tunnel is pretty boring tho.

Last month I was thriving to pass a mountain through a bike/pedestrian tunnel, finally it is boring even with the local recipes painted on the walls.

For daily commute it is the most efficient tho

i'll absolutely be visiting this next month