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If you couldn't tell already since I'm too vocal about It, I'm from Serbia.

After the fall of Yugoslavia, this place has become a place of deepest reaction. The people here have been doomed to elect between a neoliberal big tent right wing ruling party and a pro-west liberal opposition, most of the higher ranking members being your typical bourgeoisie.

To update you on the student movement that made a lot of noise a while back. It's falling apart really due to It losing It's originally decent focus from having to concrete leadership. It unfocused from student demands to parliamentary elections and begging the EU to intervene. Then again what was I expecting?

I didn't think I'd be jealous of American students protesting for Palestine while these fuckers are talking about "democracy and a fair state". Whatever that means.

I fucking hate It here man.

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 50 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I've learned to assume any movement that asks for "democracy" (in a country that already has elections) instead of an actual material thing like an anti-corruption campaign, reversing austerity policies, welfare, etc is probably a color revolution. Do you think it's possible that pro-western NGOs or other groups played a role in coopting or sabotaging the protest movement there?

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

like an anti-corruption campaign

I'd be careful there. You're thinking of chinese style anti corruption campaigns, but merely asking 'anti corruption' is as immaterial and manipulative as anything can be.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Western libs: "oh golly I sure would love a party actually fighting corruption!"

Communist Party of China: purges millions of members from the party, rising in the party is a tough meritocracy in which you have to live by the example, organizes anti-corruption propaganda campagins, literally fucking executes high-profile corruption offenders

Western libs: "oh no, that looks so authoritarian!! I hate it!!!"

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In totalitarian gommulist 1849 gyna there are consequences for your actions

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Get reeducated lmaooo gotteeeeeeeeeem

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah the far-right in Spain always run on anticorruption, for example

[–] cerealkiller@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

Well I should have saw It coming really. It was revealed a few days back the most active students on plenums (lib anarchist student councils basically) are full of NGO's, lib activist groups and right-center liberal party members. Even though they promoted being ANTI-POLITICS early on.

My org thankfully saw It coming way earlier on with students misinterpreting and simplifying strikes as "taking a day off" and going the electoral route.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Anti-corruption is typical neolib slogan in the Eastern Europe along with democracy.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"democracy" (in a country that already has elections)

At least implementing ranked-choice or score voting system would be something less nebulous, an actual goal that could be reached in a short period of time

Wouldn’t be enough but if I were a liberal, getting rid of an arcane voting system would be something I'd protest about vote

I guess D'hondt is better than FPTP but whatever

I'm not that up-to-date about the Serbian electoral system though

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 40 points 2 weeks ago

tito-laugh Fuckin’ miss him man

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 39 points 2 weeks ago

I briefly dated a Croatian woman in college, and her entire family agreed that life under Tito fucking ruled. They'd go to work in the late morning, take lunch, then sometimes—if things were busy—punch in for an hour or two before checking out for the day.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Recently, I learned that my grandpa, who flew a B-17 in WW2, at one point crash landed in territory controlled by Tito. Some partisans found them, and transported them close to an allied front line in exchange for the arms and munitions they had. This is against the rules, but somewhat acceptable considering Tito was on their side and they didn't want to risk being shot by the partisans.

Just finding out I have a tangential relationship to Tito made me very proud. My grandpa was a reactionary misogynist pig, but at least he participated in the killing of fascists and sort of helped some communists circumstantially.

I am sorry to hear that it all feels as if it was for nothing. Fuck NATO for ruining eastern Europe. Hopefully things will begin to change in our lifetime.

[–] cerealkiller@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks. My grandpa actually cried when he saw Tito irl and then had a cold one with him. He said he was pretty chill and down to earth lol.

But yeah I hope things get better too.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's so sweet.

Can you please recommend anything to read about Tito or Yugoslavia? I've been meaning to check out Parenti's book but haven't yet so happy to replace it in the queue if you can recommend something better.

[–] cerealkiller@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"To kill a nation" by Parenti is good. Though he's a bit too optimistic and forgiving of Milošević who was a patsoc weirdo.

Pretty detailed summation and analysis of events by Edward Herman (coauthor of Manufacturing Consent).

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Chana@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

Communists have consistently been skeptical of student movements because of their naivety and class dynamics (usually petty bourgeois). They fall apart quickly, they lack the capacity to seriously organize with a consistent line and are easy to coopt because they rarely have robust leadership or committees to appeal to.

Incidentally, this is the same basic formula for NGO-based protests and liberal false catharsis protests and even many "anarchist" movements (keeping in mind most self-labeled Western anarchists are not serious and arguably not anarchists).

It's not really better most places, including pre-socialist imperialist ones. Those American student protesters made bad deals with admins and shut themselves down when summer started. Many were coopted by petty bourgeois muslim student associations using tokenizing IDpol, then shut down for petty bourgeois concessions.

[–] lelkins@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

my country is straight up ass too. the far right propaganda won, even with that 66% of citizens wanting ceausescu but that's because of that great man theory bullshit, my mom believed that mussolini was good because an old man in italy said so. old people want discipline so they want the great man theory to be true. my family is the most far right you can think of. yes, they even hate the lgbtq, they hate people of color, jews even to the point of using the exclusive romanian slur for them

even the news is horrendous, there are TWO channels that are "not soros backed", which are obviously far right bullshit left and right

also i HATE liberals, we also have liberals and i hate them so much

there's no communist party of any kind where i'm from, either you get socdems or larpers that believe that ceausescu would kill all lgbtq people

all i can say is that i feel ya mate, this world is a fucking mess

Africa is the most civilized continent on the planet unironically

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

would you recommend slovenia for a vacation?

[–] cerealkiller@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

I would honestly. Beautiful place. I've been to It myself while traveling.

[–] kotak_doost@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

I only had a few days there but I really enjoyed myself.

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

update on the student movement that made a lot of noise a while back. It's falling apart really due to It losing its originally decent focus from having concrete leadership. It unfocused from student demands to parliamentary elections and begging the EU to intervene.

Many such cases brother. We keep struggling

More like ex socialist

I have no hope nor belief in Europe ,I hope this place will know Pain

The only people I care about are our comrades in Africa and Asia