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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

oligarchs are shitting their pants over it because fewer births means less money for every single industry that makes money

fuck them

[–] EnderLaw@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Same fuckers are pushing AI to dump workers as fast as they can too.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Current "AI" is used as cover for huge out sourcing wave they been doing since COVID.

Dont fall for the propaganda

[–] dumples@midwest.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe these productive gains we have been making for decades can be used to help with the small population

[–] millie@slrpnk.net 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Oh no, not a better job market, more available housing, and less pollution! What a catastrophy!

Flippancy aside, of course birth rates are declining. Of course constant expansion isn't sustainable. The systemic gluttony of capitalism literally cannot go on forever, and the faster we slow it down the better. It's a cancer on our species and our planet. If we want to continue to exist in any capacity we need to get it under control, and that's going to require reconsidering things like constant market growth and never letting the population fall.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They are two ways for species to reduce their population. They way it happens for everything that cannot control their own birth rates (i.e. everything except us) it a catastrophic death rate increases via disease, predication or hunger. We control our birth rate to have get to a sustainable levels. Seems cruel to go the other way

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

"Cruel, why would it be any better?" Oligarchs and their misinformed masses.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

But thibk about the glass full of water, becausr there was noboty to give it to you!

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Good for them. Enjoy your life, save money without having to work more, and preserve your sanity.

Kids are overrated.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

Kids are great and natural thing that happens when people live on developed AND healthy societies... We got neither

It makes sense that people are opting out or having 1

[–] Zaleramancer@beehaw.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This article fails to address one of the main causes I see people list for not having kids. It's, "Is it okay for me to bring a kid into a world this fucked up?"

A lot of young people are deeply certain that they're going to have to live through an ecological collapse and climate disasters. Why would they want to have a child, and be constantly faced with the fact that their kid is going to have a worse life than them. That their grandkids may not know what seasons were like?

It's also so ridiculously expensive now. It's not worth it.

[–] hanrahan@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'm 60, I asked myself this at 20 and answered no and had a vasectomy. Not just for any kids but for the biosphere itself, we in the developed world in particular, walk heavily upon this earth.

The destruction is accelerating I guess and is more obvious now but it's been like this my entire procreating life, yiu just had to actually observe.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

I thought they mentioned the expense and climate change. They obviously didn't go into depth. I thought it was interesting that its important enough that NPR is bringing it up

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I make six figures and can afford (barely) one child.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ve got two almost ready for college so I’m getting used to eating cat food and ramen.

[–] paperBark@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

You can afford cat food? My cat's high fiber food (needed for gut issues unfortunately) went from $55 CAD before COVID to $130 CAD per bag.

[–] themutedtrumpet@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I always wanted children.

I can’t afford one.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 4 points 3 weeks ago

We planning on our first and I am unsure if we can afford one. Still trying anyhow and just going to struggle I guess.

If we could frame the "population crisis" as this cost of living crisis and parental support this could be a change.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Same, the most I can afford is a gun to kms when I can't work anymore.

It really feels like the human experiment is coming to a close.