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The revived No JS Club celebrates websites that don't use Javascript, the powerful but sometimes overused code that's been bloating the web and crashing tabs since 1995. The No CSS Club goes a step further and forbids even a scrap of styling beyond the browser defaults. And there is even the No HTML Club, where you're not even allowed to use HTML. Plain text websites!

The modern web is the pure incarnation of evil. When Satan has a 1v1 with his manager, he confers with the modern web. If Satan is Sauron, then the modern web is Melkor [1]. Every horror that you can imagine is because of the modern web. Modern web is not an existential risk (X-risk), but is an astronomic suffering risk (S-risk) [2]. It is the duty of each and every man, woman, and child to revolt against it. If you're not working on returning civilization to ooga-booga, you're a bad person.

A compromise with the clubs is called for. A hypertext brutalism that uses the raw materials of the web to functional, honest ends while allowing web technologies to support clarity, legibility and accessibility. Compare this notion to the web brutalism of recent times, which started off in similar vein but soon became a self-subverting aesthetic: sites using 2.4MB frameworks to add text-shadow: 40px 40px 0px hotpink to 400kb Helvetica webfonts that were already on your computer.

I also like the idea of implementing "hypotext" as an inversion of hypertext. This would somehow avoid the failure modes of extending the structure of text by failing in other ways that are more fun. But I'm in two minds about whether that would be just a toy (e.g. references banished to metadata, i.e. footnotes are the hypertext) or something more conceptual that uses references to collapse the structure of text rather than extend it (e.g. links are includes and going near them spaghettifies your brain). The term is already in use in a structuralist sense, which is to say there are 2 million words of French I have to read first if I want to get away with any of this.

Republished Under Creative Commons Terms. Boing Boing Original Article.

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[–] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I rather have these people embrace gopher

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago

Let's not. It's a terrible protocol with amateur design errors.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 53 points 1 day ago (6 children)

"No HTML club" is kinda going too far on the Web. If you go there you might as well start a No HTTP Club and serve stuff over Gopher and FTP.

But we definitely need an HTML 2.0 Club.

[–] jpeps@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

Yeah it's not exactly going to be WCAG AAA either.

[–] ChuckTheMonkey@fedia.io 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Might as well do no digital club and we exchange information through mail and pigeons.

[–] DripSlipBoogie@lemm.ee 9 points 17 hours ago

There's an rfc for that

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe we could have No-JS and No-Client-Storage (which would include cookies) headers added to HTTP. Browsers could potentially display an icon showing this to users on the address bar.

Theoretically, browsers could even stop from the JS engine from being started for the site in the first place. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the engine is too tied into the code of modern browsers for that to work.

[–] snowfalldreamland@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

A Content-Security-Policy with script-src 'none' should already allow for that . no js can be loaded like that

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 22 points 23 hours ago

Pfff, that's nothing. My club doesn't even have a website.

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can get behind no JS club, I can’t get behind no CSS club.

CSS is 🆒

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

A subset of css is cool, but man does it go too far.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 176 points 1 day ago (1 children)

JavaScript, AJAX, and modern web frameworks have pushed us away from displaying information in a pure and clean way. We need to go back to a better time!

Looks at no-HTML websites

Shit, we've gone back too far!

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 78 points 1 day ago (33 children)

CSS on the other hand is quite essential to separate layout from content. Which is a good thing, so I can't really think of a reason for a "no-CSS" rule. Specifically if you can use inline styles as well but in a way more messy way.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago

I know that's what CSS is supposed to do, but I'm not sure many people use it that way.

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[–] oakward@feddit.org 6 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

You are using ASCII? Weak. True website surfers use raw character values, like The Matrix in 1999.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

(ó﹏ò。) oh no my internet cred

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago

ASCII?! Useless, modern witchcraft! Devils work! Give me CCITT-1 or give me death!

[–] Pro@programming.dev 2 points 15 hours ago

You are using raw character values? Weak. True website surfers use telopathy to communicate websites to their brains directly.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

No HTML should rather do all-Commonmark instead, imo. Background color and text width & stuff should not be your (the creators) business but my (the users) business only. But some basic styling is nice.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How do you use hyperlinks without HTML?

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Banthex@feddit.org 26 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Jesus. This is getting out of hand.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 21 hours ago

Forces one to avoid deep links and parameter crap. I'm sorta two minds about this.

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[–] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just earlier I was reading about this website hosted on solar power and the extremes they went through to get the website to be simple so very little data is transmitted to save precious watts.

The website https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/about/the-solar-website/

it also matters because the complexity of websites is a burden to end-user devices. especially on weak smartphones, as i'm using rn, the power usage of heavy websites sucks a lot, as it considerably slows down the device overall.

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