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I guess my question is who gave the Americans the right? I say this as an American. But would not the world be a better place if we just minded our own business and quit nation building and stoking non existant fires?

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Because authoritarians convinced the American people that military interventions prevent terrorist attacks to distract them from the reality which is that terrorist attacks are caused by American interventions.

It's only possible to convince Americans of that because they are shockingly ignorant of history and they believe whatever the warmongers tell them.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I'm German and went to the US for a year as a high school student.

My US history teacher literally told us that the US is the world police. Because of that I believe that many Americans think that way.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Pretty much when the US was the only super power to survive WWII unscathed.

Also, having developed atomic hellfire, and the will to use it (twice), kinda makes you the big kid on the playground.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This right here. The US was isolationist prior to WWII but then got attacked and drawn in to active war.

Since the mainland of US was untouched by war directly, and industry boomed post depression and during the war they came out of it better off than Europe, which had a lot of rebuilding to do.

As a result of the war and the need for defense they established bases all across the globe and for the last 80-90 years as the political system grew more corrupt the increase of American hegemony followed.

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[–] Steve@communick.news 94 points 5 days ago (3 children)

After world war two, Europe was busy putting itself back together. It left an opening that the US stepped into. And who wouldn't like to be the big dog in the yard.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Pretty much this. Up to that point, it was Britain and a few other European nations that were doing all the management* in various places in the world. After WWII, they realised: "You know what, we're tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway. We're going low energy to rebuild at home. Someone else can step in if they want."

* a.k.a. "Colonialism". Management is an odd choice of synonym I grant you, but once you've got a colony, it's in your interests to run things in good order. Until the locals rightfully kick you out, that is.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

After WWII, they realised: “You know what, we’re tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway

This is a very naive understanding of the history of decolonisation. Decolonisation wasn't a western initiative, it was done because the colonies were literally rebelling against their European oppressors, great part of that through Soviet funding and arming.

Someone else can step in if they want.

...unless they oppose western control of the region like Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro or Mosaddeq.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is also an oversimplification.

Colonies were always rebelling. The main issue that led to decolonisation was that there was no longer the resources required to maintain these big empires.

Coal was more expensive, troops were more expensive, everything now cost too much to maintain.

It's the end phase of every empire.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (22 children)

They (the USA) got to be the big dog, protecting us in europe, and we let them the hard & soft power. Everyone was happy (in the US and Europe) until americans started to believe their own hype that thay are in fact better than other people, and thus the breakup began.

It's not over just yet with the usa supremacy but trump fucked things up so bad that IMO ten years from now the world will be a different place.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Kinda how they were "last man standing" in WW2. Everybody else got severely fucked and they won them over by with the Marshall aid program which got us to a bi-polar world with NATO in which the US was the hegemony.

After the fall of the Soviet Union and before the rise of China there was only one superpower that could act as such militarily and then US continued their power trip.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because people in power only want one thing - more power. They only fear one thing - loosing power.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago
[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 21 points 4 days ago

Because it’s an empire. Everything else is clever marketing.

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 30 points 5 days ago

There are privileges to being an empire and the capitalists in the US continue to use that empire to get access to those privileges. Favorable trade, commercial, and financing terms are a big one.

Also the US war industry pushes the country to intervene. You can see how there are interventionist and isolationist movements in the US fighting right now over how much the US gets directly involved in Iran-Israel.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (14 children)

I want Finland to rule the world.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

I also want that, but only for the future generations to know that "we were Finnished"

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

The citizens, in general, don’t. We want to do the same thing every other country’s people want - live our lives and hopefully give our kids a good or better one.

I have no fucking clue what the government is doing to make these decisions.

[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

It's not about USA, it's about (powerful) countries in general. China, USA, more restricted also Russia, Iran, ... If someone has power (or wants to have it looks on North Korea) they also want to keep it.

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[–] razen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

No one, powerful countries just assume that they are needed everywhere in the world so they start acting like narcissistic bitch like US.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nobody gave 'murica any right, they just imposed themselves. The simple answer is imperialism. USA was always a power and money hungry bitch and has been putting nations, populations and markets under their boots (not always thru military force) for profit since the late 1800s. Yes, they've been an evil empire for that long. Latin America as a whole has suffered many hells so uncle sam could keep commodities' prices super low.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I think you're setting the timeline about a century and a half too late. The people that would become the first US citizens were genociding the Native Americans as early as 1750

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 13 points 4 days ago

The USA was securing international trade lines. After WW2, they started doing it to counter communism and build friendships. (Cannot attack your trading partners.)

This was not entirely popular with Americans, see "Team America: World Police".

Another country or coalition could step up. Just build a navy that rivals the USA one to secure shipping lanes.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

After WW2 the US became addicted to being the world police and many other countries were happy to have the US cover the cost of their defense or income from hosting US bases. Selling arms is also big business and the DOD justifies it by saying that it keeps personnel and manufacturing lines for weapons running.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

We were unspoiled by WW2. This gave us an unnatural ability to pull ahead economically while other nations rebuilt. We taught our citizens that this was deserved and the propaganda has stood until pretty recently. This unfair advantage is slowly then quickly unwinding.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have an answer different from the others.

US economy depends on the US intellectual property system, a few US monopolist companies and the US dollar, and the financial system.

Especially the intellectual property system. However different laws can be in various countries, in fact everybody tries to follow US law.

It means that a lot of things produces elsewhere mean royalties to US companies, and a lot of things can't be produced without permission, control of markets, planned development of microelectronics and tech in particular, yadda-yadda.

So - if, in some hypothetical situation, that IP system is undone, with some countries having similar laws, some more like USSR's "public domain by default with some fixed payment to patent holders", and all the intermediate variants, then you'll just have a second depression. Because a huge part of the economy will shrink.

US foreign debt is a meme subject, but honestly, if USD stops being the world's most reliable currency, you'll also probably have a default.

US actual industrial production (what doesn't shrink as easily) is not so impressive when looking at its size. A lot about US level of life doesn't really match the efficiency of the economy. Say, if you look at Germany, life there is very different. In some ways better, maybe, but many things normal in the US are not achievable there.

My point is - the American IP laws were spread around by pressure. Not just that, but sometimes the monopoly roles of American companies. Part of that pressure is the military guarantor role.

If that stops being relevant, a lot of things which were a given for your economy for many years will stop existing. And for a few other economies too. It might not look as bad as the USSR's collapse, but it will probably look as ruined and unpredictable as the 1960s world.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I’m curious what is normal in the US and not achievable in Germany.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (4 children)

America was the standard for a Democratic Republic after WW2.

after the war we helped most of Europe return to normal and even improved quality of life and living standards. part of that help came with stipulations on how the US had control within those countries that had help.

Had the US not stepped in at the time to stabilize Europe, another war would have likely happened and another, and another.

My guess, most of Europe would have fallen under Russian rule, or at the very least heavily influenced by, if the US didn't step up.

I suppose European's don't look at how bad the war left Europe and often just want to forget the atrocities, but that's not an excuse for blaming the hand that helped you in your time of need.

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[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We’re taught to compete with each other basically at birth cos that’s what benefits capitalism and no one will break the cycle of this evil shit

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Anybody who thinks about that question enough always realizes they don't want that kind of power and control. Sometimes people think about it partly, get excited by the promises of power, but only misrepresented by their own misunderstandings, and mistakenly think they do.

Nobody actually does, just not everybody realizes it fully.

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