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Do you guys compare more recent tragedies to some past event to try to gauge the level of atrocity? When 9/11 happened did people in the UK say this is 6 times worse than the troubles or some shit? Or is that just an American thing?

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[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. That's how we measure jokes, e.g. "Almost as funny as 9/11"

I get that. Tough one to beat. Hubris and pathos

[–] AlicePraxis@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we should measure things in terms of US atrocities. for example, 9/11 was 0.015 Hiroshimas

Fuck, if you though standard measures were confusing can you imagine trying to remember how many Mai Lais to the Dresden

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here in Norway we only measure things in "number of olympic gold medals won in cross-country skiing"

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see. So I imagine when a terrorist attack happens in another country the prime minister goes on TV and announces, "This was truly (insert country)'s 2014." And then hate crimes against Swedes triples? That wouldn't be so bad

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's basically it, yeah.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

surely when measuring a tragedy though, not by size but by emotions, it's just a reference to the last time you lost the Biathlon?

[–] GayTuckerCarlson@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In Greece they measure life in the unit of Stavros

Stavros = 450 lb = 2.5 people

A car crash where 5 people are injured is a 2 stavros car crash

Cumtown was truly podcastings 9/11

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, we just mindlessly repeat the bit where we pretend Justin Trudeau is actually brown

Wish I found anything as funny as that guy does blackface

[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no, it's an american thing

I figured. Fuck. Thanks

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not really? Port Arthur or Christchurch Massacre would be our comaparitors here in the antipopes, but they're not dragged out as a yard stick every time there's a mass murder.

Edit: leaving the autocorrect in. It's pronounced anti-po-pees

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think Francis is complacent, you kiwis should set up your own papacy to challenge him

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm Au*tralian but we still use Christchurch as a reference because the shooter was from over here and because of the cultural and geographical proximity of us and NZ.

Port Arthur is in Tasmania, the small island to the South of Melbourne that everyone (including us) forgets about sometimes. That massacre was a landmark as it lead to serious gun reform, buybacks and amnesty for surrendered weapons introduced by a centre-right government.

Also I support the pontification of the Aotearoan Pope, because why not.

Fuck yeah. You get some white smoke bombs, I'll get a plane ticket and a funny hat

[–] arymandias@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The MH-17 airplane downing over the Ukraine (2014 I think) was compared to 9/11 in The Netherlands, percentage wise it came quite close and because the Netherlands is a small country many people knew people that died. But it did not lead to a 9/12 kind of response mostly because the Netherlands is not really capable of ‘dealing’ with Russia.

Also interestingly, lots of time was spend figuring out who exactly shot down the plane, but I don’t really remember any active inquiry into why a passenger jet was allowed to fly over an active conflict zone.

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's interesting. Did it impact the treatment of Russian immigrants living in The Netherlands? Or were there nationalistic songs written by the Dutch equivalent of country music artists or anything like that?

I remember hearing about MH-17 but it was kind of a blip on the anti-russian radar in the states

[–] arymandias@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As I did not know any Russian at that time, it is hard for me to answer that with certainty but I suspect not. I currently live in Berlin and know many Russians and even with the Russia-Ukraine war going on, Germans seem to be quite good at separating Russians from the Russian government. So I suspect that was the case as well in The Netherlands.

As for nationalist music, that concept is so culturally foreign here that you would not be considered to be mentally 100% if you listened to or wrote such a song.

Huh. Good to know, thanks. Americans go hard with the patriotism. Like, do you have sports team fans that are so into their team that its their whole identity? We have people that are like that with the country, loads of them. They put flags everywhere and, sadly, they write songs. Not good ones mind you

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not in India. No one really gives a shit about 9/11 here except for vaguely knowing that terrorists did terrorism that day. It's not perceived as anything special because we have had terrorist attacks on our own soil. For USA I think it stands out because they have not had that many.

Makes sense. Thanks for the reply

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

yea but its instead of the WTC attacks it the coup against allende, its like a metric tonnes vs short tonnes thing