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New Prime Minister, new relationship with China.

China's playbook seems to consistently follow this pattern. If they get in a spat with anther country, the grudge continues until a new state leader comes into play, then all past grievances are reset. Sort of like Union-management - when a new collective agreement is signed, past active grievances tend to be voided.

Given that Carney is devout Catholic, we shall see if his dedication to the Pope, given the very tumultuous relationship between the Roman Catholic Pope and China, gets in the way of Good Governance in Canada's policy decisions towards China.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Given that Carney is devout Catholic,

Not while he’s in office

But China is a better partner than the US for us right now and we will need them before we can ban trade/travel to the US

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 19 hours ago

We're not quite to this extreme (yet?) but it's a similar logic to allying with Stalin when Hitler was around.

Trump isn't Hitler, and Xi isn't Stalin, but the logic is similar. It's an ugly thing, Xi is a complete shitbag after all. But Trump is the more immediate threat.

[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Carney attended the inaugural mass for the new ope after he started office. He did so as a Catholic, not as a PM.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Yikes, I feel that should bar him from office

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's not an explanation of why he should be barred from office.

He's Catholic, but he's not trying to make Canada Catholic. Trudeau and Poilievre are also Catholic. In fact, every single PM of Canada has been either Catholic or Protestant.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

That’s fine, as long as they don’t act on it

All public employees are supposed to leave their religion at the door when they leave their house but elected officials should face more scrutiny than unelected workers

As PM is our highest elected position, they should leave their religion on election night and pick it back up when they leave

[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Apparently there is no such prohibition in Canada. Even leaders are free to worship according to their faith.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I suppose it’s a matter for the courts to ensure reasonable limits for section 2 of the Charter is upheld

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Freedom from religion comes with freedom of religion in Canada.

He's conservative, I'm not surprised he's religious.

[–] upbeatWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago

Keep your friend choose and enemy closer? Seriously tho, you can't keep China or any other countries isolated in the globalized economy. Best to have a working relationship unless they are invading like Russia with Ukraine

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Asked directly while speaking to reporters on Parliament Hill on Friday on whether he trusts China, Carney did not give an explicit answer.

Given everything China has done... makes sense to not trust them. But even then, what countries can you even say this about anymore? Seriously? I was pretty sure this whole thing with America and the UK leadership being so wishy-washy kinda taught us all that you cannot trust any country. You should be friendly and aim to get along with people but trust? Why would you trust a country when the leadership can change so easily and switch the feeling towards your country?

What a stupid fucking question

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's right. And conversely cutting ties because you don't trust a country or don't approve of all its doings is also a bad strategy. Instead maintain a working relationship, do not trust and don't develop a dependency but utilize what is useful. That's what China does with the West and they've done well.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly. We're on the same planet. You don't have anywhere else to go. You cannot treat a nation like it is in an individual person. It's a different creature all together that requires different handling entirely. As much as I fucking hate the United States, so much so that I cannot elaborate on that without violating TOS, you can't just wall them off completely.

Personally I prefer the "Anything you can do, I can do better" tactic of vengeance. Take literally everything good America has ever done and buff it until it shines. Throw away anything that doesn't work. Then use all of that manipulation and forced economic struggle to collapse that sham of a country into what it actually is, at MINIMUM 3 different countries in a trenchcoat.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

It’s the store brand version of normalize.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For all I know Mr. Carney's personal religious views may be of great interest to theologians, but they are not politically relevant in Canada or in China.

[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I matters a lot if he lets his religious views interfere with his political duties. During the last elelction, the Catholic Bishops made a point of commanding all Catholics to vote for a candidate that would push for Catholic theology to dictate policy.

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Communication is fine and cooperation where it is necessary and makes sense, but let's prioritize CETA and CPTPP countries where trade is concerned.

[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Let's do what it takes, and certainly do not let America dictate our trade policies.

[–] kaeurenne@lemmy.kadaikupi.space 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One of my friends is from Canada.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

You wouldn't know him though, he goes to a different school....

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I think it's more about the changes in the US than the changes in Canada. Could be both though.