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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 127 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The Israeli media has been full of overt calls for and endorsements of just outright genocide for over a year now.

At one point a prime time media show was 'debating' just fucking nuking Gaza.

Israeli social media has also been absolutely full of average people with genocidal rhetoric for over a year.

... They just say it in Hebrew, not English... most of the time.

This isn't suprising to anyone who can use google translate, or read supplied English subtitles/captions.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Reading about this stuff on the Israeli lead news network KAN is... Interesting. When the complete eradication of Gazans is being talked about it's very blasé and never takes responsibility. For example, this report says Hamas are in fact the ones screwing up Gaza aid efforts, and this one richly claims that the IDF did not kill anyone at an aid site. The IDF alleges that they investigated themselves and found that they weren't guilty.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The entire last twoish years have have been doubly insane for people like myself, because:

Though I am not Jewish, my cousins all are. They are all secular, American, liberal to lefty Jews by the heritage and ethnicity of their father, and his culture that they maintain.

They are all against the genocide, but according to current, general, right wing sentiment... they either don't exist or are self hating.

I can only imagine this has all been even more insane for them.

Nearly every pro-Palestine protest on every campus in the US that I've read about or seem... has at bare minimum had sizeable numbers of Jewish Americans at it, if not being co-organized by them or headlining them as speakers.

... Meanwhile, I've been anti Zionist my whole life, and every single actual Israeli I've ever met has been a racist, anti-Islamic Zionist... and when I point this out, almost every white liberal or self described lefty has called me an antisemite.

Then on my own side of the family, my dad and my uncle just actually are racist anti-semites, making 'off color jokes' about Jews being greedy and money obsessed at fucking family gatherings literally in the faces of my cousins and their dad.

Oh well I guess?

Politics evolves to become defined by the hypocrises and contradictions no one is capable of having a rational discussion about.

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[–] SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This "issue" has unfortunately been in Israeli controlled media for much longer than a year. They've been indoctrined to hate Palestine since the forming of israel

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Also, part 2:

Israelis tend to get really fucking triggered when you tell them about:

Israel was literally founded by terrorists who bombed and shot civillians in terror bombings... as in, they explicitly targetted civillians for the chaos factor... and they wrote about this in their own journals and memoirs and then went on to lead the government.

The entire USS Liberty incident, which was almost certainly Israel trying to false flag blow up an American ship during the 6 day war and blame it on the Egyptians, to get the US directly involved.

The Apollo Affair, wherein Israeli sympathizers/spies literally stole US nuclear fissile material from the US to aide in the production of their nuclear weapons (which basically every Western government officially, and society generally, denied they even had nukes untill about a year to 6 months ago).

The Samson Doctrine, Israel's take on nuclear detterance... is more or less this:

If Israel feels like it is going to be nuked or completely invaded, they will nuke major cities in all countries within one to two thousand miles, ally, enemy, neutral, who cares, the logic is to throw as big of a shit fit as possible and declare that if they can't have Israel, no one can have anything, and they'll do all that themselves.

And finally, if you just tell them that Hasbara is a real thing that obviously exists and promotes publically that it will pay anyone who will draft themselves into being an online propaganda troll for Israel.

... Conversely, if anybody were to tell me about all the awful shit the US has done and is doing, I have a functioning moral compass and brain and can say, yep, that shit is/was fucking awful, unnaceptable, and in my ideal world, all those responsible would be in jail or tried as war criminals, in the ICJ for crimes against humanity, Luigi'd, etc.

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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 87 points 1 week ago

As a Native American my heart goes out to all Palestinians effected by these ignorant Zionist we must be better than this we can be better than this.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (26 children)

My understanding is that Israeli TV is hugely responsible for making this mainstream. Just like in Rwanda where radio played a huge role in the genocide.

It's almost as if genocide scholars have been warning about a series of patterns over the last couple of years...

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

Shocking. Israel has successfully dehumanized the entire Palestinian population.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

This was over a year ago:

"Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza."

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 57 points 1 week ago

This just in: The country that has been doing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians for 77 years is still okay with doing ethnic cleansing.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

Absolutely disgusting. Our common ancestors are rolling over in their graves at their inhumanity.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Say it loud for those in the back, it’s not just the leaders.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For years Israel has been running around the world, waving their foes statements about “pushing Israel into the sea” as a call to arms against atrocity.

And now here they are, committing that very atrocity. But genocide seems inevitable when your stated goal is to be an ethnostate.

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[–] Vupperware@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago

They’ve literally been doing this shit since they pushed the Palestinians out of the way almost eighty fucking years ago. Of course the population is okay with it.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

It'd be more surprising if the ingroup of an established ethnostate weren't hitlerites.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I noticed on LinkedIn that a ton of my former colleagues from Israel are now in the US. I think shifting demographics as progressives leave are a bigger part of the story than the shifting opinions these stories have been about.

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