TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

We should only watch the real old trek.

I mean, it was one of the first shows ever to:

• have a woman in a command position,
• depict a black person in a non-servile role,
• show Russians and Americans working as a team during the Cold War, and
• have an Asian character portrayed by an actual Asian actor,

but it wasn’t woke!

I feel pretty much the same about anyone who complains about something being "woke", no matter the topic - if perceiving and objecting to harms against and struggles of others not like yourself offends you, if seeing others actively try to work in support of those others is something you just can't stomach, then you aren't someone whose opinion I care about.

Plus the folks making those complaints can rarely define what woke is, or struggle to without using language that will immediately "out" their actual objections.

It annoys me that new trek got wrapped up in this discourse because my dislike of it is because of the image above

Old trek was super "woke" and optimistic, I see new trek as too focused on war and it paints the future as though they never achieved luxury space communism free of scarcity

Yep. I just watched 'Past Tense' this week, where DS9 spends an entire two-parter advocating for the humane treatment of homeless and unemployed people through an economic policy of full employment. The characters succeed in bringing this about by staging an armed uprising largely led by a black man. It's not only 'woke' but explicitly socialist!

That argument is indeed stupid, but Kurtzman Trek is inferior in every other way.

• the plots are often incoherent
• the tone strays too far from what made classic Star Trek compelling
• the overuse of action and spectacle comes at the expense of thoughtful Sci fi
• Character development feels shallow to nonexistent
• and so much more

Everything is just bad.

Idk, I think Discovery just sucks.

Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks kick ass, though.

Edit: Discovery and Picard. Picard sucks ass, too. I just cannot force myself further than episode two.

TNG is "Old Trek" now. Thanks for ruining my day at 6:49am.

Yeah, anyone who complains that Trek is suddenly all woke and political now never watched any classic Star Trek or hasn't been paying attention back then.

I've watched all of Star Trek on the big screens and the small ones at least once - including Section 31 - and it's as political as it has ever been. And there has always been brilliance and absolute dogshit. Those who say NuTrek is all shite don't know what they're talking about.