Verdun in ww1 say almost 50million shells. We're gonna need more shells to actually win
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Absolutely. Though don't discount how much more accurate artillery is now. Not just in the shells themselves, but primarily in what is guiding them. The saturation attack is much less common, now you have a drone operator giving you precise corrections to hit your intended target with a minimal of shell expenditure.
Ukraine gets the coordinates and multiple systems have automation to work together to hit an area and they've had that for awhile.
At least earlier on, Russia was still doing a lot of shoot a shit ton to blanket an area as they werent as high tech on that front.
That was awhile ago though, Russia may have worked towards that by now.
I'd say that from what we can see here, Russian capabilities did not improve in general, but diverged.
They have much better drone recon allowing better precision nowadays, but are running out of good guns to follow up on that, so they are most likely doing blanket artillery saturation while also hitting valuable targets with glide bombs and ballistic missiles.
So vis-a-vis artillery, they need many more shells for the same effect, and it's getting worse, but they are getting better with drones and cheap smart munitions.
What is the consumption of shells from Ukraine?
Whatever they get basically. I think it was somewhere around 1-2 million in 2024. It looks like they may manage to get to 4-5 million this year which will put them just behind parity with Russia if they can keep getting more from North Korea or elsewhere.
Rounds ain't shells.
Shells are e.g. artillery and tanks.
They can be. The word 'round' refers to a single shot fired by a weapon. Artillery pieces are weapons so a shell is a round in this case.
I expected not all 1M to be shells. Might have misread the article.