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Fuck the stupid morons who defend Apple.

Imagine if Microsoft banned Windows users from installing the software they want on their computer.

Imagine if Microsoft required all software developers to give them 30% of their earning or Microsoft will ban them from Windows

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[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

except only loosing 568m is just "the price of doing business" for them and it's not much of a deterrent to make them stop. they made more than that by doing this so it's still a net profit

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While true, 568m is a significant cost of doing business. Also remember that a punitive action should not make the company go bankrupt, it should make them rethink.

And if they don't, the fines will go higher, until they do rethink.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean that would imply they stood to gain $568M by not allowing 3rd party app stores. Seems unlikely.

[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

one of the most profitable companies in the world, it seems very likely

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How much money do you think Google loses to 3rd party app stores? Considering they've been allowed from the beginning and are also one of the most profitable companies in the world?

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Companies don't do shit that costs them money for no reason.

There are only two reasons a for profit company would do something, for profit or because the law is making them.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well I think it's fair to assume that they not only didn't know for certain that they would be charged/fined but also how long it would take for that to happen or how much it would be. And they rolled the dice. They're definitely greedy but they're not omnipotent.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Likely. I guess I should clear up what I'm trying to get at, companies that large and monopolistic spend immense amount of resources doing everything they can to stifle competition because it's profitable to do so. They made the move knowingly approaching if not downright crossing the line, because their analysis showed them it would turn out to be profitable. Will we be fined? Probably not. If we do, can we afford it and still turn a profit?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry, I don't understand how that's supposed to answer my question?

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I missed. Meant to be aimed at your first comment up there

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right. And the fines will continue, lol.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Imagine if Microsoft required all software developers to give them 30% of their earning

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/publish/publish-your-app/why-distribute-through-store

Flexible revenue sharing options that let developers choose their own commerce platform and keep 100% of the revenue for non-gaming apps, or use Microsoft’s commerce platform and pay a competitive fee of 15% for apps and 12% for games.

I guess their rates are lower. Currently.

EDIT: And as @Eggyhead@lemmings.world points out, that's for Windows, not the XBox. For the XBox, they do run an exclusive store and apparently do 30% there as well.

continues using Linux

[–] webhead@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Big difference here is that Windows doesn't REQUIRE developers to use the windows store or still pay them money if they use other methods of payment. Anyone can download an installer and install software without the Windows store and Microsoft doesn't make developers pay them still to do that.

Now if they could get away with it they absolutely would like on Xbox. That's why Valve put so much effort into Linux.

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[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

$568m is a day Apple will never get back!

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

They better start fining in Billions

[–] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Microsoft does with their Xbox, though. Don’t they?

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes but I don’t believe consoles are a target of the DMA or this investigation. While would be nice if consoles were opened up and forced to allow side loading and alternative stores, I think there’s an argument that they’re single purpose appliances - a PlayStation is sold to you with the intention of it being a gaming box and not much else.

A smartphone or tablet though is at this point a general purpose computer, and it’s reasonable to expect to have the same freedoms and open environment that you would on a PC. And Apple’s argument that they can’t open up the iPhone because security or whatever doesn’t really hold water, because the Mac exists and is both secure and open.

[–] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The original argument compares windows to iOS, but gets weaker when comparing windows to macOS, which is still pretty corralled, but more or less open.

I asked about Xbox because Microsoft doesn’t sell a phone, and Xbox is an example of a Microsoft-run closed ecosystem. So I was curious about how their closed ecosystems compared.

If Microsoft sold a phone, I wonder if it would actually be more open like windows and Mac, or closed like their own XBox and the iPhone.

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[–] imecth@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Microsoft is actually the least problematic of the console racket (Sony, Nintendo and MS), games release simultaneously to pc and they offer cross compatibility. Maybe the EU will address it eventually, but i guess mobile takes precedent given that everyone has a cell phone.

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

“reeeeeee”

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Tim Apple to Trump

You know what to do, papito....

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