This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.
Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.
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A great example of how rugged individualism / nationalism are a myth and a fallacy. We need each other.
Autarky sounds fine to first order thinkers, who don't ask themselves things like "where is a nation supposed to get resources it doesn't have naturally"
Military conquest. That line of thinking was a big driver for Germany and Japan in WWII. Scary to see that path opening as a possible future.
Nobody shoots himself in the foot like I do! Many people say so.
A man came up to him crying. Big guy crying. He had never seen someone shoot both their own feet. But he did it, bone spurs and all.
He said to him ''Sir'' they always call him 'sir' he's so respected. They said ''Sir, thank GOD, and JESUS, you are president'' and he wheeled himself out with only one shot foot. They know I'm better than that!
I can't really blame them.
America is the cyclist that sticks a branch into the wheel. No fucking way you're being fucked after burning all bridges.
Can't wait for my in-laws to go on about how we NEED to invade them "for national security"
Real Japan in 1941 vibes.
Encourage them to volunteer
Every time. They're well aware of my stance on war.
To go to war, every adult must vote yes or no. The yes vote is immediately signed up for military service, no exceptions given outside of life-threatening conditions. Everyone can do something even if it's just logistics.
No votes go about their business as usual.
And of course, there will be people who for one reason or another, legitimate or not, can't leave the general areas they live in. They can be national guard and show up to work the fields every day, ensuring wartime food supplies.
It may sound harsh, but unless you're willing to get down in the shit yourself, you have no business demanding someone else do it for you.
Make all the politicians in favor actually fight in the war, I'd like to see that.
Ooh, yeah this is also a good one.
Any politician that speaks in favor of going to war is given front-line duty regardless of how they vote.
Again, if you're going to demand it, you're going to DO it. That means people who use their influence to sway others are also going to do it, even if they're cowards behind a voting booth.
Nah, Rome tried that in the Republic, mostly it just got armies murdered. Rome won in the end anyways because what it was good at was making more armies.
What you do is make the drafting of their children as enlisted front line mandatory.
Spoiler. Boomers dgaf about their children or grandchildren. Just take a gander at the climate crisis and electing new hitler for starters.
Gen X voted for Trump in a higher proportion than boomers.
No one saw this coming. No one.
Lol.
"Trade wars are easy to win!" - some illiterate twatfuck
i'm all for it if it means the us will have lesser firepower to bomb us.
the japanese did their pearl harbor bombing as a response to oil embargos placed upon them by the united states and its allies; i wonder if the united states is going to do its own pearl harbor.
One of the ways that people now interpret WW2 was that armored tanks , ships and planes became critical in combat, and every actor in the conflict was going out and trying to secure oil supply lines. Places like Europe, Africa, the middle east and the pacific were all involved due to reliance on fossil fuel resources... Whoever could capture the resources or secure the flow of the supply lines had huge advantages. You could bring down the enemy by indirectly starving them of oil just as quickly as attacking them head on. The allied forces directly targeted the axis oil infrastructure like refineries as their highest priority targets.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/How-Oil-Defeated-The-Nazis.html
Surely that can't be happening again with new types of critical resources?
funny what you can achieve by declaring a trade war against the rest of the world
US trade deal with Russia in 3…2…1….
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I am not eating from this chum bucket
Aaaand the land of the freeeeeee
America is about to become great again
Turn up the Lee Greenwood, boys