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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Be careful. If you move to Italy, you might start hating people over how they eat food(like eating spaghetti with bread)

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Hah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been on the "double carbs bad" train for awhile, but I don't care when other people do it.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago

I was planning on leaving if the orange got reelected. I only didn't because in the years between when I made that decision (2021) and now, I found myself in a relationship cohabitating with my partner. She's here as a refugee and can't leave or that gets rescinded. It took some serious soul searching to decide to retract my longstanding plan to escape this hellish fascist-speedrun. I was even doing phone interviews. If you think you could be happy, do it.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Oh hey, we're kinda on the same boat here (without the jure sanguinis part). Probably would try to get to a university instead. A big bet, I know, but there's not much to go on here either.

[–] Stizzah@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You know that you will have to keep paying taxes to the US, right?

[–] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-residents-abroad-filing-requirements

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident living or traveling outside the United States, you generally are required to file income tax returns, estate tax returns, and gift tax returns and pay estimated tax in the same way as those residing in the United States.

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident alien, the rules for filing income, estate, and gift tax returns and paying estimated tax are generally the same whether you are in the United States or abroad. You are subject to tax on worldwide income from all sources and must report all taxable income and pay taxes according to the Internal Revenue Code.

The question is asked probably because there's no real way of avoiding the empire's grip if you're born into it, even if you naturalize as a citizen of another country.

[–] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Holy fuck! I didn't know that.

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I only learned about it recently too... It's pretty ironic considering that the whole "No taxation without representation" colonial shtick continues to be worshiped by the bootlickers of the empire.

[–] truite@jlai.lu 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Are you a cis woman? I ask because you said you have a husband and you may want a kid. Italy is going against gay adoption, and I think it's not easier if you're a trans woman with a cis man, for example. You could try to have some information about abortion, because right to abort isn't the same thing to access to this right. It's not specific to Italy, and I think a lot of European countries are currently going the same way.

Edit: I mean, if you like the country, have family and really want to leave, I don't think it's a bad idea.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not too fond of the plenty Americans having the same idea.
Stay there.

[–] puntinoblue@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Italy has just changed it’s rules on citizenship. You now need to prove you had an Italian parent or grandparent in order to be eligible. Before, there was no generational cut off.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-curbs-citizenship-rules-end-tenuous-descendant-claims-2025-03-28/

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I literally just read about this. There goes that opportunity. Ugh.

[–] puntinoblue@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Depends on how committed you are to the change.

Here’s the Reddit sub on the issue of citizenship by ancestry: https://www.reddit.com/r/juresanguinis/

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link. I don't understand your comment, though.

[–] puntinoblue@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You would have to move to Italy and live there for a certain number of years. For you it is probably 10 years continuous residency although as your ancestor was Italian it might be much shorter. To go and live there you would need a visa - a work visa or maybe something like an elective visa (private income so you’re not a burden on the sate), or an investor visa (buying residency).

If you were to have a child while there I don’t know what that would mean. It probably means they would be eligible and you would have the right to stay and look after them. But you would need to carefully assess what that would mean for the child’s statehood and identity.

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the summary, much appreciated.

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