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I've updated the Digital Independence cheat sheet for leaving big tech (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 days ago by lukakopajtic@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

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I never imagined the original post would go so viral and be seen by +6M people. But I guess it shows there’s real momentum — and the perfect time to finally escape big tech’s grip.

I went through hundreds of reposts of the image and took in feedback from community comments. I’ve replaced USA-centralized apps like Brave and Bluesky with more open alternatives, and added self-hosting indicators.

As many of you recommended, I’ve also created an online version with descriptions that we can constantly update and improve.

Drop a comment if you have suggestions for a better alternative, improved description, or a feature for the site. Let's break free together!

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

IMO Gmail -> Thunderbird is a bit flawed since you'd still need a service provider. It could be Thunderbird + Posteo / others (please no ProtonMail).

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ever tried Tutanota or Disroot ?

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

No, I haven't tried Tutanota because I can't use a client I want. I decided PGP encryption is something I can do client side anyway on the rare case I want it.

[–] bobotom4444@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What is wrong with Protonmail?

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They support ✨nazis✨

[–] Mailloche@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (6 children)

They do?

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago

Yes

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let me give you a more precise info; The CEO is a Trump supporter & the Compsny doubled-down

Of course it didn't impact the product, but still why would Trump "Stand up for the little guys"

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago

My answer was precise, yours just added fluff.

Trump is a Nazi and proton did express support. Therefore they support nazis. This isn't complex math.

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[–] yigruzeltil@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Any European email provider who provides free tier and allows more than one personal account, just like Gmail? No problem for me if the amount of free storage is low.

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (6 children)

As with all impromptu lists, this one is pretty flawed. For example, as much as I love it, lineageOS is not useful for "digital independence" in any meaningful sense, since it's just a more cleaned up version of android. Or PeerTube, which can't really be considered a realistic alternative to yt. It's fine in itself, but it's so small and so hard to scale that you might just be better off giving up the yt format altogether. And then there's Thunderbird. I love it but it's a CLIENT, you'll still need a mail provider.

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

If you search about it you can lock your bootloader with LineageOS.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

LineageOS is worse than that. You can't have it and also have local security as you cannot lock your phone bootloader with an unsigned image. You can't protect yourself from anyone with physical access to the phone.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nice, but highlighting a particular Linux distro might not be great. I see the point in minimizing amount of choices, but many people may not like default Mint experience.

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

It's debatable, there's no perfect answer. As a dev I am always on arch and never tried once mint. Every opinions I read the last 5 years says that mint is solid and very friendly to windows users. I can live with such a recommendation in a cheat sheet for unaware people.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok Zorin then

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also controversial. Just leave Linux, and it would be useful to have a page outlining major newbie distros

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Zorin, LinuxMint & PopOS are newbie-distros

Or would you rather have OpenSUSE ?

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

All are fine. Also, Manjaro if you're feeling adventurous.

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree. At least suggest both Mint and Ubuntu. I recently started using Linux just a couple of weeks ago. Started with Mint and I hated it! Then I moved on to Ubuntu and it’s way better for my taste.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

For me it was Manjaro that helped me switch over, and now I'm on Fedora. Didn't like Mint either.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's a start, but the goal should be to have multiple options. Any monopoly can either be bought or abused and we should work towards making those as hard as possible.

[–] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

While I’d generally agree, I don’t think fediverse platforms having a monopoly is as dangerous.

Social media requires a sort of monopoly to work well, I think federation is a good approach here.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Perhaps. It's still early to tell.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

LibreWolf is not an alternative to chrome, it's a fork of FF. It won't run Chrome extensions... which chrome users would likely expect to be able to run.

For a Chrome alternative, I use Vivaldi (which is based in the EU)
As a Firefox alternative, I use Waterfox

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

LibreWolf is listed as an alternative web browser; not an alternative way to run Chrome extensions.

Similarly, listing Mint as an alternative to Windows is about having an alternative computer OS. It is not about having an alternative way to run your Windows apps.

And Lemmy is an alternative 'ranked forum' (or whatever you want to call this). It is not an alternative way to read reddit threads.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Any browser is an alternative to any other browser, IMO. They all have the same purpose.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Firefox is always & will be an alternative to chrome

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago

As far as I'm concerned, it's the other way around. FF was there first ;)

[–] dunidane@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What separates waterfox from firefox or librewolf?

[–] Forester@pawb.social 7 points 4 days ago

Different Dev teams

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (16 children)

Session
Signal
GPG2
VLC
Tuta
OpenKeychain
KeePassXC
NetGuard
Mullvad
Ironfox
BLE Radar
Transmission
Obfuscate
Monero/Haveno

[–] rippersnapper@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean WhatsApp is already E2E encrypted. Meta doesn’t make money off WhatsApp (only WhatsApp business). Any IM service that’s big in MAU (monthly active users) costs big money in server traffic. Me using WhatsApp costs Zuck money. In return the only data he can sell is about my metadata (i.e. how often I contact someone etc). For normal usage I think WhatsApp is more than ok. However if you’re worried about govt snooping cuz you’re a journalist or some such then yeah, switch to Session.

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 points 2 days ago

I ain't touching anything MZ. I don't really care about money beyond what it says about the subject in hand but either way...

I'm paranoid by practice. I do not and should not need a reason. I personally engage in paranoia for the development of the skill. I did this way back in the day when everyone thought the act generating "fear" of "spying" was undoable anyway by "them." Now, today, you're either entirely ignorant or you know it's probably doing "observation" you don't even know about yet.

So control what they can see best or else you're just an NPC.

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[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 12 points 4 days ago

Droidify is just a bloated wrapper for F-Droid

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t think piracy is a proper alternative to paying for commercial content.

Free content is.

So it shouldn’t be on this chart IMO. It’s a separate topic. It’s not a good look to lump piracy in with open/free software ideology.

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

There's no piracy as alternative in the list.

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 6 points 4 days ago

Hello, very nice guide:)

I'd just like to bring to your attention, a very thorough comparison of messengers you might want to check😄

https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

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