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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

The protests lasted over a month; the massacre ended them in a flood of state-sponsored murder.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 136 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Dear Tankies, Wumaos, and assorted apologists:

If you want to be banned that badly, you can just ask instead of writing several paragraphs denying easily verified atrocities of historical note.

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago
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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have the suspicion that the CCP is very scared of knowledge of Tiananmen spreading, not because of the amount of victims (fairly low by Chinese standards and for how large the protests were), but rather that they are scared of the knowledge spreading of how much popular support the movement had and of how widespread it was. Most soldiers were also unwilling to attack civilians, so army divisions had to be brought in from far away and the soldiers had to be subjected to misinformation to goad them into attacking civilians.

This wiki article goes over what it took to suppress the protests: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_at_the_1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

Afterwards the CCP took steps to ensure that next time, the army would be more loyal to the government: officers who had no qualms with attacking civilians were rewarded/promoted, and those who had not executed their orders were purged. Dictators need immoral people to execute their orders.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

CCP is brutal against any form of resistance. China is the only developed country with firewall that censors normal every day words.

China is an absolute autocracy and everytime people advocate for it I can't help but cringe. But hey did you see how developed they are - you can even pay with your fingerprint 🙄

[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The fact that any other pro-democracy protests in China from that point on can be counted on one hand is quite frightening. And no more "student protest" from what I can find...

China, among others, isn't great with letting their population progress away from the current power structure.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They are headed for decline anyhow. The corruption and boondoggles are still happening regardless of their media reporting on it and as a group the party was able to cover it's ass fairly well over the years but now their focus is on protecting one Pooh Bear shaped individual. Divided priorities is leading to some epically bad decisions.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

What decline? Chinese are so whipped CCP can do anything they want.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I wonder if they survived the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I mean, there were warning signs before June 4th. Those who left before probably survived. As for those who stayed, and if they managed to survive that day, they would probably be identified and arrested, but some managed to escape to then UK-controlled Hong Kong.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird

Yellowbird successfully helped more than 400 dissidents, who were smuggled through Hong Kong, and then onwards to Western countries. Notable escapees include Wu'erkaixi, Chai Ling, Li Lu, Feng Congde, Chen Yizi, and Su Xiaokang. Three Hong Kong–based activists were arrested by the Chinese authorities, but later released after the intervention of the Hong Kong government.

As for the rest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Arrests,_punishments,_and_evacuations

The 21 most-wanted student leaders' faces and descriptions were often broadcast on television. Photographs with biographies of the leaders followed in this order: Wang Dan, Wuer Kaixi, Liu Gang, Chai Ling, Zhou Fengsuo, Zhai Weimin, Liang Qingdun, Wang Zhengyun, Zheng Xuguang, Ma Shaofang, Yang Tao, Wang Zhixing, Feng Congde, Wang Chaohua, Wang Youcai, Zhang Zhiqing, Zhang Boli, Li Lu, Zhang Ming, Xiong Wei, and Xiong Yan.

Each of the 21 students faced diverse experiences after their arrests or escapes; while some remain abroad with no intent to return, others have chosen to stay indefinitely, such as Zhang Ming. Only 7 of the 21 were able to escape. Some student leaders, such as Chai Ling and Wuer Kaixi, were able to escape to the United States, the United Kingdom, France, and other Western nations

The remaining student leaders were apprehended and incarcerated. Those who escaped, whether in 1989 or after, generally have had difficulty re-entering China up to this day. The Chinese government has preferred to leave the dissidents in exile. Those who attempt to re-enter, such as Wu'er Kaixi, have been simply sent back but not arrested.

Chen Ziming and Wang Juntao were arrested in late 1989 for their involvement in the protests. Chinese authorities alleged they were the "black hands" behind the movement. Both Chen and Wang rejected the allegations made against them. They were put on trial in 1990 and sentenced to 13 years in prison. Others, such as Zhang Zhiqing, have essentially disappeared. After his initial arrest in January 1991 and subsequent release, nothing further is known about his situation and where he lives now. Zhang Zhiqing's role and reason for being listed on the 21 most wanted is generally unknown; this is the case for many others on the list, such as Wang Chaohua.

According to the Dui Hua Foundation, citing a provincial government, 1,602 individuals were imprisoned for protest-related activities in early 1989. As of May 2012, at least two remain incarcerated in Beijing, and five others remain unaccounted for. In June 2014, it was reported that Miao Deshun was believed to be the last known prisoner incarcerated for their participation in the protests; he was last heard from a decade ago.

Also, some of the leadership got purged:

The party leadership expelled Zhao Ziyang from the Politburo Standing Committee (PSC). Hu Qili, another PSC member who opposed martial law but abstained from voting, was also removed from the committee.

As bad as it may sound, remember that, during Imperial China, they would all just lose their head, like the Emperor would literally order your head to be cut off. It could've been much worse.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

As bad as it may sound, remember that, during Imperial China, they would all just lose their head, like the Emperor would literally order your head to be cut off. It could've been much worse.

There's also the existence of eunuchs in ancient Chinese governments. Having your business chopped off in order to become a member of the leadership in your country takes a different set of values and priorities.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Jfc it's hard reading each of those children's names, thinking about them each having a family..

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

But before CCP wasn't it ROC, not imperial China?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

~~My point isn't ROC vs PRC, its to highlight that, even when all you hear about China is all doom and gloom, the Imperial era of China is still far worse. Criticism (as in, without violent threats) against Xi Jingping could land you in prison for some time, depending on the severity, but criticizing the Qing Monarch (or any monarch in any dynasty of Imperial Era China) would be considered an insult, and gets you a summary execution by beheading, possibly along with your close relatives.~~

~~That's how much progress have been made. Sure, it isn't as free as actual democracies, but its still progress nonetheless. And its a reminder that the struggle against autocrats isn't futile.~~

Nvm, I retract my argument.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It sounds like that's what I'm talking about. It was Imperial -> ROC -> PRC, not Imperial -> PRC.

The only progress was ROC. PRC was worse.

It's like saying "Oh you don't like Trump fucking up everything in our government so it's way more authoritarian? Well it's much better than when the US was imperial England, so it's still progress."

There's a step missing.

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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Does anyone have good book recommendations on China's recent history? I wanna learn about the creation of the PRC, the cultural revolution, the '89 democracy movement. I have started reading the Wikipedia articles but it's just so dense and dry and I'm having trouble following it, I'm having trouble understanding the social state the described events happen in.

Was just wondering if there's good books that explain everything better.

[–] porcelainpitcher@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Okay, hold onto your hats:

Fenby’s 'History of Modern China' is epic and magisterial but far too long for this (goes back to the mid-1800s), while McGregor’s 'The Party' is good for post-‘89 but doesn’t really touch the topics you’re interested in.

Richard Kraus' books 'Very Short Introduction' series is apparently excellent.

Two I’ve not read but come recommended:

The Cultural Revolution: A People’s History, 1962–1976 – Frank Dikötter

Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962 — Yang Jisheng (not strictly what your internet stranger asked about, but the roots of the Cultural Revolution are surely to be found in Mao’s Great Leap Forward.)

Finally there is also a doco 'China's Cultural Revolution: The Full Story' - on YT/NewPipe etc. - quite good!

I hope you find some answers to your queries!

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Please extend my big thanks to your bro :)

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Amazing :) thanks so much!

[–] porcelainpitcher@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sit tight; I will ask my bro-in-law. He will, no doubt, have an answer. If not, he'll at least have a reason why it doesn't exist 😆 Recommendation incoming.

[–] sistarena@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Dot to come back and look at recommendations.

[–] porcelainpitcher@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

Have responded to OP above :)

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