Imagine threatening VOLUNTEERS. How does any mod with self respect not just quit?
I turned all the communities I modded private and "basically" quit but I understand not completely quitting without thinking about it for a long time. I only modded for like 30K redditors but some of the communitites have millions and they got there with the unseen moderation. Mods love their communities and it's really hard to just turn your back on them after you've cultivated real friendships and so much information has been shared. I think it's a little more complicated than, "F reddit, I'm out". They'll get there though, it's just become sooo much harder to actually mod the community you started.
@invno1 I have never moderated a community, but can absolutely see this! They moderated, because they loved the community and understood how to do it well. Maybe there are friends too, who you learn and discuss stuff with over the years. An angry user (like me) can "just" leave without many consequences. But a moderator also feels responsible to its community too. So I can understand those who have a hard time leaving. Maybe there was hope that Reddit will turnaround too.
Little bits of power go to people's heads. Seriously, that's the only reason you'd continue to do volunteer work while being threatened for doing so.
Maybe they just don't want to give up on a community in which they put so much time, effort, and passion to help shape.
I think both of you are right. Some people can't let go of what they've helped build, and some people can't let go of power.
Reddit wouldn't have anyone to threat if every mod just quit all at once.
There are hundreds of even thousands, newbies would take time to train and they would probably have to hire and pay for replacements to get up and running quick enough
Reddit as a company is just so full of shit. "We're so threatened by the fact that we can't make money off of your subreddit that we're going to threaten you." Like?? All of this could have been avoided if they had just had reasonable pricing for their API. They're just driving themselves into the ground.
Reddit's entire business model is based on convincing people to do 99% of the community management work for free by telling mods they can run their communities however they want. Then the moment those mods (who, again, are doing valuable work for zero pay) try to actually run their community however they want Reddit says "no, not like that".
Spez is out of touch.
He’s forgotten what internet users are.
We are an entire cultural shift away from rule following and shit giving, to a movement of non-compliant Boaty McBoat Faces who will happily bring the whole system down on top of ourselves.
We don’t even need a cause. We would literally bring this down for a meme.
We'd bring this down just because we already dropped 68 others and need one more to complete the set.
I doubt he really cares. this whole thing looks like "maintain a minimum viable product" until IPO.
he just wants to get paid, I cannot imagine he will care if reddit burns to the ground after the check clears.
Even if reddit reverse all their decisions from last 3 months I'll still not go back to it.
Yeah. I mean why would someone? This place is growing leaps and bounds.
It's really impressive how Lemmy/kbin have totally replaced reddit for me pretty painlessly. Any time Ive checked reddit out of FOMO, the content is far worse, and the comments are horrid.
The Memmy client on iOS convinced me, essentially same Apollo experience with a nicer and more informed community. Seems like everyone who actually participated on Reddit is moving here
It's still missing a lot of the more niche communities. Most of the game communities I frequent are still almost entirely on Reddit
I removed myself as a moderator and left Reddit.
Good on you.
It was quite depressing seeing how many sub reddits ended their protests as soon as the mods were threatened with being removed from their unpaid positions.
The power and control really does go to some people's heads.
I didn’t remove myself as a moderator for the two subs I mod, but I haven’t been on Reddit since Apollo shut down. I use my phone a heck of a lot less these days lol
And the results are hilarious. https://kotaku.com/reddit-app-news-cyberpunk-2077-protest-nudity-rpg-nsfw-1850611359
“We’re not going to change it back, because this is a sexually explicit game, and also fuck them.”
Lmfao I live for this quote.
"We demand the unpaid volunteers that aren't listening to us to do as we say or we will find new unpaid volunteers who will replace you and spend their free time deleting posts and comments!"
"Also ignore that fact that it's been two weeks and we still can't find unpaid volunteers for /r/interestingasfuck "
Let me get this straight. They do the work for free, and are upset you took their tools. You then tell them open the subreddits or we open them for you. So they do that, and change some rules, now you're upset and telling them how to moderate their subreddits. Like seriously Reddit. Why not just moderate the subreddits yourself?
You have people who have given you FREE WORK for decades, they have increased the value of your site, and they're justifiably angry, and all you're doing is shitting on them more.
What a fucking joke. I know this won't directly affect the IPO but I hope some companies are looking at this and realizing that Reddit admins have made all of this so much worse.
At this point if I were a moderator I would just remove all NSFW tags and allow unmarked NSFW content, like just to fuck with spez, instead of John Oliver we just post NSFW content on every community and the mods do nothing
I'm sorry, but any mod that gets a message threatening them like that and stays on has zero self respect. It's a volunteer job for god's sake!
The problem is if you leave, someone else comes in, takes it over and can't do anything to annoy the admins.
At this point the mods are just tanking, and finding new ways to become problematic. Which hopefully people will see. The admins had an easy way to make this work and instead they are just struggling to keep up with this bullshit.
It's not really about self-respect or they would have never started modding. It's something they felt was important at the time and likely still feel their contributors are worth sticking around for a while. It may take some a little longer to move their community over here but it will happen in the next few months. Reddit is making it very difficult to continue.
Or else what? Like give them their life back?
Lol poor guys are not even getting paid. I would happily donate if they move to Lemmy and start an instance.
I find it hilarious that the stereotypical reddit power hungry mod turned into the indentured servant hero standing up against a greedy corporation.
Mods might be a bunch of neckbeards, but it's better than being a bunch of corporate neckbeards.
The overwhelming vast majority of mods are not power mods and did it because they liked their communities. They're good people who worked hard to make a safe, fun place for others.
When awkward turtle got banned, they were happy too.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Reddit pulled a tumblr and banned porn and other NSFW content and just made it a site wide policy that nothing can be NSFW.
It was a fun run but sadly Reddit Admins have the only thing that matters now.. power. They will ban everyone in their way and replace them with some puppet or someone who doesn't care about the api fiasco. Most of them will cave in. They have no choice, because they don't hold any real power to attempt a coup. You know who should quit? Users. But they obviously don't care about the cause enough. Imagine if everyone quit for a month ..
I care. Charging for high API use wasn't an unreasonable move in principle, just, the details were bullshit and it got rolled out in a totally donkey brained way. But that wasn't necessarily a deal breaker for me in and of itself. I stopped using reddit because of the temper tantrum & threats that the admins threw at mods and their coordination efforts.
And anyway it's death by a thousand cuts. Over time, all these little changes to the platform slowly make it worse for the user. The big social media companies have completely lost touch. They're more concerned with these abstract concepts like engagement and growth, instead of focusing on nurturing a good place for users to be. Well, what do they think? That the users are hostage? That we can't leave?
I hope nobody forgets how the CEO of reddit tried to slander Apollo's creator saying he tried to blackmail them for millions of dollars, and then evidence was brought that showed he is a liar (didn't realize the call was recorded)
It’s kind of reflective of the world right now - USA probably. Those in power are happily steamrolling the rights of disenfranchised people for money, while said people simply grumble but only change the channel. As long as there’s streaming, they stay in their lane.
Should be out in the streets!
More and more of these communities are going to see the grass is actually greener on the other side once they’ve had enough of Reddits nonsense.
When Apollo lost access I thought “I’ll try out lemmy” and I’ve been so happy with the change of mix of posts that I’m much happier here.
Feels like when I started using Reddit a decade ago, in a good way. Reddit shifted subtly enough that I didn’t even realize how little I was enjoying the content.
I wonder how many other people would have been relatively happy moderating communities, posting content and comments, had Reddit just not been evil.
What would happen if all of the NSFW subreddits removed theirs too?
I ended up removing the few mods I had, making the subreddit private and the removing myself. We only had like 30,000 people subscribed but still.
I just decided to abandon Reddit. It’s not worth it at this point with all the bs that’s happened in the past, and now this stuff too - what’s the point.
I’ve been having fun actually looking for new communities and new websites/technologies again. Made me feel like a kid again first discovering message boards
But if any investors are reading, this is not a big deal you guys. It's just a little, uh, it's gonna pass, you know. The company is worth zillions!
I have yet to be threatened for setting it on in 3 different subreddits with over 1million subs each. I'm pretty sure they don't have a simple way to log when a subreddit was changed from sfw to nsfw so they really don't know which subs have done it as protest vs which were like that before. It's only the top50 subscriber subs that seem to be getting any attention and it's because media and userbases are making shitloads of noise to alert the admins to it.
I expect they'll do some database queries or w/e eventually but they don't seem to know who to go threaten yet.
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