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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 54 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Poland: "What about attacking Russia alongside with an ally?"

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Germany: "i thought these days would never come again. Fighting russia with poland and france like we did late 1700s and early 1800s"

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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

No thank you. Defensive alliance, sure. But not attacking. We're supposed to be the good guys, after all.

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[–] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Assuming the internet exists in the future...

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 139 points 20 hours ago (12 children)

This would be much more concerning if they hadn't so thoroughly stamped out fascism. What's the alternative for Germany?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

stamped out fascism

Alternative for Germany (Deutschland)

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[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Fascism was never stamped out. Wall street supported it heavily and now they fully control the us political and military machine. We came full circle. The nazi’s didnt loose the war their ideology infected those with control today. Central banks funded the third reich and those same financial institutions are still empowered and playing a part today. War and genocide / eugenics is a part of their business model.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago

If only there were a list of names... and addresses...

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 13 hours ago

AfD is a nazi party. With tied to Blood and Honor, Proud Boys, constantly yelling nazi quotes, nazi saluting in private and small meetings, copying their rethoric and imagin aso

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 30 points 16 hours ago

I can’t tell if that’s a lucky coincidence or a reference, but the Alternative for Germany (AfD) are the biggest voices in support of fascism in Germany, and they just won 20% of the seats in parliament. Luckily, even the CXU won’t form a coalition with them yet, so they will hopefully not have much impact on things.

Ironically, the AfD doesn’t want to militarize against Russia (but don’t be too reassured, they do want to reinstate mandatory conscription and militarize generally, just not against daddy Putin)

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 74 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Fascism is back on the rise there, unfortunately.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 146 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I thought my little AfD reference at the end would give me away.

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago

I thought it was clear

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I think the widespread political "unwavering support" for a nation committing Genocide, which is justified by the ethnicity of the people of that nation, kinda shows that some part of Fascism (the whole "people's race is what matters the most and some races are better than others") hasn't at all been stamped out.

Then there's AfD which is just taking the "if it's good to support them because of their race, then it's good to support us" step closer to Fascism.

Germany is far closer to a certain philosophy anchored on classifying one's fellow human being as worthy or unworthy depending on race than one would like to believe (certainly, I liked to believe before the political reaction there to whole Gaza thing made it too obvious to deny) - the symbols were made illegal whilst the spirit lives.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 20 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, we know, irony is dead. But if the world made sense then the Orange Idiot wouldn't be in charge.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 90 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

Poland has been pouring everything into their military, they are VERY ready for this to all go sideways. I can't blame them.

[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah they have a history of things going sideways around them given the location

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[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 33 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

"A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do"

  • Captain hammer. Also Dr. Horrible.
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[–] sxan@midwest.social 5 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

If Germany had started with, and stuck to, attacking Russia, I doubt it'd have been a world war. I don't remember who all were Russia's allies at the start, but IIRC only the French were particularly fond of Russia. There weren't a lot of the usual royal contract-through-marriage, were there? Did many nobles have Russian cousins?

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Pretty sure that last time they had already taken a couple other countries before heading to Russia. Stopping at Russia was already too late.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 0 points 6 hours ago

Well, yeah. That's why I qualified it with "if they had started with..." You're right, though; they couldn't have invaded Russia without first going through a couple of other countries first. They could have technically invaded Russia while minimally involving other countries by going through Poland to get to Kaliningrad Oblast. But then they'd be stuck again; they'd have to have taken Belarus to get to Moscow.

So: Poland, Belarus, and next stop: Miscow! Easy peasy. Talk the Japanese out of antagonizing the US and have them focus on Russia, with a promise to divide it. Not that the Japanese would have been much help on mainland Russia, but it'd at least give them something else to worry about.

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[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I'm afraid you're gonna have to come up with a specific timeframe here.

WW1? The Germany Empire wasn't really the spark for this one. The entire royalty of the continent was effectively cousins. There may be some wiggle room, but most of them were literal cousins, with Wilhelm II and Nicholas II being most notable in this context.

Nobody was 'fond' of Russia in any way. Most European nations then saw it as they do now- large, unpredictable, and territorially aggressive. France and Britain were a part of the Triple Entente not because they trusted each other, but because it was a reasonably sensible counter to the Triple Alliance.

WW2? Royal intermarriage was mostly a moot point after the first go around even in nations that managed to not get their entire lineages deposed. As for the Soviet Union, still wildly unpopular. If your point is that Nazi Germany might have gotten away with things if they'd stayed tied up with Russia instead of trying to diversify their murder portfolio- I'd disagree. They would have gotten the OK from other Western powers for a time, but would still crumple from internal strife, the war was as much a wallpapering of those issues as it was any grand ambitions of Hitler's.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 hours ago

I think the point is more that for WW2 the other nations would have just left them to it more. Maybe profit off the increased demand for materials. However, the war started because of Germany invading Poland, and you kinda need to go through Poland to get to the USSR.

Encourage the USSR to try and take all of Poland first, then attack back when they are getting close? Not sure tbh.

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