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[–] helloworld55@lemm.ee 25 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

Negotiations without security assurances*

This is the prime stickler with the USA-Ukraine deal that has been discussed on the news

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[–] chaitae3@lemmy.world 49 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

You can absolutely want peace and even agree to concessions to Russia to reach a sustainable peace, but this point is absolutely valid: there must be security guarantees, otherwise Putin will just use the armistice to rebuild its strength and attack again.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 29 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Oh, absolutely. We want peace more than anyone else, but giving putin a chance to regroup, pull more support together and attack again is not peace, it's surrender

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Like all the guarantees before it, trusting the scorpion will only get the frog drowned.

As a disgusted American.... SLAVA UKRAINE!

I'm sorry my country is acting so poorly

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 12 hours ago

Security guarantees are nice but only if there believable. If the last 3 years have shown anything it's that the west will not go to all out war with Russia over Ukraine. It may make putin more hesitant but if he calls our bluff a piece of paper isn't going to change the fact that Americans and western Europeans aren't willing to die for Ukraine.

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[–] Syltti@lemmy.world 54 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Zelensky confirmed it was 25 in his meeting with Trump.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 19 points 16 hours ago

The image describes 2014-2022. So it seems he's had 5 additional sit-downs with Russia between 2023-2025.

At least someone is trying to make peace happen (Ukraine).

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 13 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I'm all for diplomacy. Finding diplomatic solutions to these kinds of problems is the ideal outcome.

When it's not ideal and you're dealing with someone irrational or uncooperative, then maybe fighting isn't the worst way to go.

Bluntly, I support Ukraine. They're clearly trying to make diplomacy work.

I can't say the same for Putin/Russia.

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