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Against new atheism (lemmygrad.ml)

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 year ago

Reactionary atheists confuse tf out me, like bro you don't believe in hell or heaven, why are you against men kissing

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

They want all of the cultural hegemony and colonialism but without the inconvenient god part.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Exactly that's why the bulk of them went straight to Peterson and his fantastical dragon slaying status quo mythos shit.

[-] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

The atheist road can either lead someone to Marx or it leads someone to Nietzche.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

The atheist road can either lead someone to Marx or it leads someone to Nietzche.

Always relevant:

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/125

[-] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

My first time seeing this. Exactly haha.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Assuming this is the theory reading atheist road, one could become a left Nietzscheian and basically an idealist Marx.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

The trouble is consciously rejecting an idea you were raised with doesn't immediately rid you of the various biases that idea instilled in you. And nobody is more susceptible to bias than people who don't think they have any, which describes a lot of people in that sphere. This is where the absurd phrase "culturally Christian" comes from, because they realize the beliefs they were raised with are bullshit, but then they notice that that belief system has all the prejudices that they have (because they were raised with it), so rather than confronting those biases and doing self-crit (emotional self-awareness and humility ew ew gross) they instead just come up with some bizarre twisted rationalization (using FACTS and LOGIC) and accept that. The brain is very good at rationalizations like that and can invent all sorts of convoluted lines of logic if it means fitting in with one's tribe.

[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

I don't say that I'm culturally Christian, because Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on charity and being good

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Fair, I just say such because I was raised with specifically the positive aspects of Christian values.

[-] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

New Atheism is Islamophobic cancer that justifies imperialist aggression in the Middle East.

[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

What if I say that the modern culture of Christianity needs to be destroyed

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Totally fair, the bourgeois perversion of Christianity must be destroyed.

[-] Iceman@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Christianity died when they crowned Charlemagne.

[-] DesiDebugger@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Aren't some of the new atheism people transphobic as hell?

[-] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

If we’re talking about the same atheists that pioneered the anti-SJW movement , then yes 100%.

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You say you are "atheist, but culturally christian" because you are agnostic but try to love your neighbor and fight for the poor.

I say such because I don't believe in god but I live in a catholic country that has eight public holidays of religious origin where people don't go to work (I'm just very lazy and every day in which I don't see my boss' face is a wonderful day).

We are NOT the same.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

To what extent is New Atheism still a thing? Did the mass of it pipeline to Peterson and various other facts and logic grifts?

[-] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

That's what it seems like to me. It was very much the same "white dude pseudo-intellectuals pretend they know everything about the world but only push reactionary ideology" as the Peterson, Rogan, etc. bullshit.

[-] su25@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

its definitely still a thing in some irl spaces actually. i've seen atheist groups irl that will espouse new atheist cringe talking points insulting all religions. they do sometimes go after christians too, at least, but it seems like a lot of what they do is go after islam.

[-] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I've never heard of new atheism

[-] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

It was primarily an Islamophobic movement in the post-Gulf War and 9/11 era.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Some good ones:

  • Hidden beneath a superficial rationalism, they provide a seemingly intellectual defense of imperialism, push islamophobia, and use it to create a smokescreen for the injustices of global capitalism. 2,3
[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It was a short lived thing a decade ago. This is a terrible post.

[-] M68040@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not even a philosophical thing, I just kind of don't want to allow the right - especially American Evangelicals - any control over me. By not partaking in their hierarchies or belief systems I leave them one less avenue of attack.

I do not wish to do the New Atheist thing and harass Muslims as they are not really a threat to me like that

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