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Over 20M 'people' listed as 100+ years old in the SS database? (www.msn.com)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org to c/conservative@lemm.ee

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Massive fraud "red flag”, could also be a matter of data integrity issues. Anyway another example why DOGE is needed.

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[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Or... You know fix our broken social security system that is used as identification. But sure, enabling an unelected Nazi supporting lunatic to strip our government down as he sees fit is an option that makes sense if you're an uninformed asshole.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 12 points 4 months ago

I feel like Betteridge's Law of Headlines applies here, too. If Leon had found fire (fraudulent benefits), he would have posted fire instead of smoke.

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Occams razor tells me this is most likely caused by shitty SQL by his teenage goon squad

[–] redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I don't think so. The COBOL explanation sounds more logical to me. Whatever it is - needs to be fixed.

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The language wasn't the point. The point is that if this data is being retrieved by these young clowns, we can't trust any of it. There is no good excuse for Elon to have given them this much responsibility.

[+] redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There is no good excuse for that is hasn't been fixed before (and that includes Trump). You need to know where your tax money is going. Obama told the electorate he was going to slash bureaucracy and wasting tax money but didn't do it. Apparently you need someone like Musk/Trump. Sometimes you have to break some eggs to make an omelette, If you are always cautious the media will stop you because they will always find a 'victim'.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just because the field exists doesn't mean it's critical that it be filled in. We have no idea whether this is even a problem that needs fixing. Maybe a project was underway to fix it until Obama killed it as unnecessary bureaucracy. Bottom line, you don't have the slightest idea what you're bitching about.

[+] redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So death field set to FALSE! and age 140 is proper data? That needs to be fixed. Whatever the reason is. Period. No auditor should accept that.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did I say 140 is proper data? We don't know what the fuck it is. We don't know if the field is even subject to audit - or should be. Assuming these people paid taxes (which they must have to get SS) the IRS would have the birthday. Maybe the field was added at some point as a workflow thing, but the IRS or some other database is the system of record for those dates. Again, we have no fucking idea.

I worked information security at a top five bank, and there were thousands of examples of data fields like this that could be distorted into "red flags" but really didn't matter at all. Knowing what the system of record is for particular information is critical to proper audits, but proper audits take more time than would serve Elon's political purposes. That's a recipe for a trash "audit".

[+] redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Garbage in garbage out. I know - I've been SME and assisted with data audits myself. This would have definitely not passed the smell test. It needs to be fixed (or addressed as N/A or null) - I've seen articles written in 2015 about this.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Who gives a shit about the "smell test"? You are just talking out of your ass, that's the smell. You keep asserting that it needs to be fixed, but there is nothing to support that. If it's not the system of record, then it's irrelevant.

A null record is nothing but a lack of data. The front end systems typically handle that by showing no information or N/A. Elon's clowns were not going through the front end systems. Depending how you query COBOL based systems, which these likely are, an empty record will come back as a 0, which COBOL interprets as the begining of it's date system, which is in 1875.

With that, I'm done talking to you like you are a genuine human making the best interpretation you can. You are a partisan hack with an agenda who will glom on to any interpretation of realty that can be bent to your purposes.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who gives a shit about the “smell test”? You are just talking out of your ass, that’s the smell.

LMAO I'm stealing this. And yeah, redut isn't even from the US (admitted themselves), they are just a populist fanboy.

[–] redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yep - I am not even a conservative but a libertarian. That's why I am a huge DOGE fanboy. This train just left the station, I hope it will be glorious and we will be able to enjoy a version of DOGE in the EU too.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you truly think they have our best interest at heart, you're either willfully ignorant or you got swindled.

There's no receipts, it's the equivalent of yanking out server cables before understanding what they were there for. The same thing happened to Twitter.

[–] redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -5 points 4 months ago

Correct - it is a leap of faith. Nobody can predict the future. I haven't seen anything from the DOGE team that makes me worry though. It is going exactly as I was hoping for with the urgency that is needed. It is going well and according to Milei's playbook.

[–] HorreC@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I mean keeping all the data is needed. Those numbers are tied to people dead or not, you cant reuse them. So yes keeping a record of each number and its accounting was a massive undertaking and was stated when they implemented it.

[–] Pfeffy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Another conservative with a public humiliation fetish. Look at that post history.

[–] Tyrangle@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious to see how DOGE ends up handling this. Given the scale of potential fraud, you'd probably need a dedicated task force just to help sift through cases and figure out what's going on. If you do uncover fraud, then you'd need more people to hold the guilty parties accountable. It might take a few years to work through such a huge number of cases, and with more people aging out of the system each year, it'd likely need to be an ongoing effort. You'd basically need to create a whole new fraud agency to deal with this problem, which is ironic given that the IRS already does this and we're actively trying to downsize them.

[–] DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago

Fuckin' loving what DOGE is doing! So fun!

[–] redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This made me chuckle.

[–] DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago

You win!