this post was submitted on 14 Feb 2025
2036 points (98.8% liked)

politics

20340 readers
3000 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
(page 4) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To me it’s not about being “rich” or a billionaire, it’s about staying “Rich” by exploiting others OR the law. Trump is a prime example of human trash that has millions(Or billions if you believe him) but he’s just about the poorest person I have ever heard of him you measure his integrity.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't have a problem with a billionaire that is so successful that they are constantly throwing millions at other people's problems to solve them and can't stop making more money because they pay great wages with great benefits and produce great products at fair prices.

Problem is that type of billionaire is a fantasy.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hey! In a labor camp they can learn the meaning of a days hard work.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

We had an economic plan for this almost a century ago. It was called the "euthenasia of the rentier class" advocated by john Maynard Keynes. I guess we didn't expect the rentier to also control the financial system.

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Love Bill. The Monday morning podcast got me through the pandemic.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Im scared for my ole bald Billy. He has to be careful.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

1.5 people died during hurricane Katrina.

For every billion in a billionaires hands, how many lives are lost? It can probably be quantified.

Using this paper, we can calculate a number of deaths per megawatt of energy consumed (using global averages). If the planet consumes 17,000 TWh annually, and there are 10 million deaths annually, thats about 0.0006 deaths per MWh.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33577774/

Just quick and dirty numbers but from some lazy searching the following companies used..

Samsung: Nearly 30 TWh in 2023. Google: Approximately 25 TWh in 2023. Microsoft: Around 23.5 TWh in 2023.

Samsung:

30,000,000 MWh×0.0006 deaths per MWh=18,000 deaths

Google:

24,000,000 MWh×0.0006 deaths per MWh=14,400 deaths

Microsoft:

24,000,000 MWh×0.0006 deaths per MWh=14,400 deaths

Now these big tech companies don't all use fossil fuels, but we're just trying to get into a ball park... so lets continue as if they had used all fossil fuels.. Samsung:

18,000 deaths/ 17.92 billion USD≈1,004 deaths per billion USD

Google (Alphabet):

14,400 deaths/ 94.2 billion USD≈153 deaths per billion USD

Microsoft:

14,400 deaths/ 69.02 billion USD≈209 deaths per billion USD

So we can estimate some where between maybe 100 and 1000 deaths per billion dollars for these tech companies. Now of course how you make those billions matters (maybe). For example, we can do the same thing with Exxon mobile, which represents 3.7% of global emissions. 10,200,000 deaths×0.037≈377,400 deaths. 377,400/ 37 billion, Exxons 2024 profits gives us 11,200 deaths per billion.

We can of course also divide this out to get to about how much profit is generated before a single person dies. Maybe this could be considered the lower limit where profit extraction should be considered criminal

In the lower end scenario, it would be at between 6.5 million dollars and one million dollars in profit extraction would relate to at least 1 lost life. Obviously extremely rough numbers, but if we look at some one like Musk, allegedly worth 500 billion, that would relate to between 100k and 500k deaths their profit extraction is directly responsible for.

And of course this is only from particulate matter emissions from emissions. There are many, many other externalizes not quantified here. It also isn't fully representative because, yes, many companies do purchase renewables (Amazon claims to be renewable) but this probably gets us close enough to start having a more serious dialogue about the relationship between extractive capitalism and consequences to human life. Based on these back of the napkins, it would seem like every billionaire should be considered responsible for, at a minimum, at least one lost life.

And to put that into Hurricane terms, Elon Musk represents around 300 hurricane Katrinas.

[–] Xuderis@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

1.5 people died during hurricane Katrina.

This figure is highly inaccurate unless I’m missing the point of something, but I’m guessing it’s a typo?

1,392 deaths according to https://www.nola.com/news/hurricane/how-many-people-died-in-katrina-toll-reduced-17-years-on/article_e3009e46-91ed-11ed-8f2a-a7b11e1e8d34.html

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›