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Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go "Lemmy is getting worse and worse," or "I'm leaving Lemmy," or worse, "I'm leaving for Beehaw."

If you're using Beehaw, then you're using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don't like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don't get our terminology right.

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[–] solrize@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

I actually haven't seen much mention of tankies on any Lemmy except as a joking reference here or there. I'm on lemmy.ml and the signup there said explicitly that it is a free software community. The signup had no particular reference to other politics, though I have no idea what is present in the admins' minds. There is also lemmygrad.ml which is explicitly socialist.

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[–] Jackolantern@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Why, what’s wrong with lemmy.ml? Can someone eli5 me?

My account actually lives there but I also made a lemmy world one.

[–] porkins@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (16 children)

In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities.. He apparently censors lemmy.ml with this in mind. Since it is open source though, I can trust that other instances might be better maintained. There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.

[–] BenHouston@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

my signup because this all probably is going to China.

China is sophisticated enough that it can vacuum up all the information it wants about without any involvement of a Lemmy.lm admin.

[–] ZheSquirrel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Oh the ml in lemmy.ml is Marxist lenonist. That makes a lot of sense actually

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[–] slinky317@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That's the beauty of the fediverse. Don't like the server? Go somewhere else.

[–] Ignacio@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It seems to me that community choice in Lemmy is far less important than community choice is in Mastodon. In Mastodon you subscribe to some people or maybe some lists but you're largely dependent upon what types of local traffic are happening. I couldn't reliably fill my feed with interesting people in Mastodon. With Lemmy, I'm filling my feed with interesting communities, while the content with a lot of these communities is still kind of light It's at least enough to keep me relatively interested. I don't have to rely on the local splarg to keep me entertained.

Maybe a third to a half of my lemmy subscriptions are remote I've only blocked a handful of idiots. The experience thus far as better than Reddit honestly.

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[–] timelighter@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] Piers@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Lemmy.world. Which is ONE example of a Lemmy instance. Lemmy instances don't even need to have Lemmy in the name.

Lemmy is a system that allows anyone to create what is essentially their own Reddit. Each of those are called instances. Lemmy.world is one of those, Lemmy.ml, is another, Beehaw is a third. Each of those Lemmy instances are run by different people for different reasons. Each of them have their own communities. A community is like a subreddit. The post you commented on ("PSA: Lemmy.ml is not Lemmy") was posted to the "Fediverse" community on Lemmy.world. Lemmy.ml could (and possibly does) have it's own Fediverse community. That would be separately run with separate content to the Lemmy.world Fediverse community.

Where it gets a little confusing, is that users in each of those different instances, can access and participate in the communities in each other's instances. IE, if you set up your own Lemmy instance called TimeLighter.IsCool and created a community called "Timelighter appreciation society" I could potentially join that community using my Lemmy.world account (assuming you allowed it.) I wouldn't need to create an account specifically on the TimeLighter.IsCool Lemmy to access it. If I did though I'd still (in theory) be able to use it to participate in the communities here at Lemmy.world.

[–] sulungskwa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks, this is definitely helpful to newcomers I think

[–] MrClayman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This makes much more sense now. Thank you so much!

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[–] hburb3ri@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

why am I right now?

[–] ToastyWaffle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] CannaVet@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

THAT'S MY PURSE

I DON'T KNOW YOU

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[–] quinten@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Lemmy feels as a aplha/beta product that we ar all testing right now. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I like Lemmy more then Reddit. But you cannot expect everyone to love it right now.

For Reddit its clear: you sign up, you search for a community and you subscribe.

Here, you sign up (if you don't get the spinning wheel). You search for a community. Oh, it is on another instance. What is a instance? Then you browse and see different Lemmy websites. You get confused, you heard something about Fediverse but what is it?

Also, there is no karma what important is for many users. Mod tools are extremly limited and all the apps you can use on mobile are in alpha/beta/in development.

There should be a easy to understand welcome page upon sign-up and I think this needs to be prioritized if we want to welcome (more) mainstream users. The post that explains how Lemmy works on c/lemmyworld doesn't cut it.

[–] BigJim@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair Reddit felt like a beta product for it's entire lifespan too

[–] Makeshift@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

yeah I remember the reddit interface being uninuititve, confusing, and really hard to learn when I started out. I just got used to it

[–] bilboswaggings@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Karma is important? The only "use" for it is to do what? users farm it so adding karma or something similar would just make this place worse

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[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It feels like this is more aimed at outing admins or mod teams that people will disagree with. I have no issue with any other Lemmy instance, because I'm not a member of their instance. The community will have some things to figure out as far as easily relating the nature of instances and the fediverse, which it looks like will take some trial and error.

There's things users will pick up on just fine, while the main complaint is "too many communities" where people desire a centralized system to replace Reddit with. It's my personal opinion that people only think they want a centralized system, and given the situation with Reddit, it highlights how beneficial of a concept the Fediverse and Lemmy itself is over a centralized system, but I digress.

Lemmy.ml's stances on Russia, China, and "tankies" is great....for them. I have no issue with how any other instance is run or what their community prefers for a style of moderation. They are free to run it as they see it. It's telling that it went from the largest instance to taking a backseat to many others though given the word got out prior to this post, and that's fine. I won't begrudge them over their instance's nature. It just makes me love Lemmy as a whole.

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[–] timothy1200@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (23 children)

Just out of curiosity, what did the devs do that was stupid?

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I like the sh.itjust.works lemmy because of the name.

Also, apparently they're run with 99% renewable energy which is pretty cool.

[–] scarrexx@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

in the past 10 minutes i have had so many mixed emotions towards you.

I have come across your comments about 7 times and each time I either feel like fking you up or giving you a hug.

It's interesting how opinions of different people may differ or align depending on the context. Wars don't really matter if you think about it this way..

I propose a truce

[–] lakv@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I propose a truce

meanwhile them, probably:

I don’t even know who you are.

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I actually hate it because of the name. I can't be the only one.

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