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elon musk, mark zuckerberg, J.K rowling! Are the names that come to mind.

3 from different background: a African immigrant benefiting from government spending, an American smart young engineer, and a female English successful writer.

They are no politicians, and cant be accuse of trying to gather some vote. Multi-billions amongst them.

I get they lean to the right to protect their cash, with less tax and regulation. I get they are racist because they fear some poor people will take their cash.

But why the hatred for trans people ? It's 1% of the population, they cant do anything, dont threaten anyone. There is no rational or psychological reason

*EDIT: I read all the comments. A lot of interesting explanation: smokescreen/scapegoat, maintaining the male/female power structure, new face of anti-gay , projection / self-hatred , just louder voice ...

I realize, may be, I didn't post a good question. May be it is less about the ultra-rich but more about why that rhetoric work on the general population (else it would not have taken hold as it does). For that I have a 2 cent theory: The raise of the cult of Nature we have since the global warming. The idea, that everything natural is better. The ugly version is only natural male and female are worthy*

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Divide and conquer.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Gender is a load bearing brainworm for capitalist society. Capitalists need stratification, having a gradient of various degrees of precariousness for workers to experience that would push them into accepting a worse deal for selling their labor. Gender is clearly one of the primary ways to achieve this: an absolutely incredible amount of domestic labor is performed without compensation by women every day, and society would fall apart if it wasn't. The rigid structure of the patriarchy is a key feature of this system, which means that trans people represent a clear break in that logic; if AFAB individuals can just choose not to be subjected to gender-based exploitation, it starts to rip the whole thing apart. Equally, transfeminine people represent another break in the opposite direction. The patriarchy is more or less incompatible with the existence of trans people, at least without significantly transforming itself.

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

very interesting take. Thanks

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

I wanna add that the way I formulated it is incomplete, or at least too partial to the functional perspective that someone who wishes to preserve the status quo would have. Obviously trans people don't just "choose" their gender, it's much more complicated than that. But I think it's worth looking at things from this lens to understand why the billionaires in particular are recalcitrant about gender.

[–] SteposVenzny@beehaw.org 6 points 4 days ago

Trans people’s very existence requires the rest of us to question our own upbringing. There are a lot of childhood experiences that boil down to you doing something or not doing something on no basis other than the fact that you were told.

You were told by your family, you were told by your friends, you were told by random strangers, you were told by the media, and they were all telling you the same thing. So you listened, even though you didn’t know why they were saying it. Surely EVERYBODY can’t be wrong, right? Some people might have told you something contrary but they were the losers, the outcasts, the villains. You don’t want to be any of that, surely?

For someone to transition, they are required to do the exact opposite of what so many told us all. They embrace the very outcome we were threatened with when we failed to conform, that we would not actually be the gender we were failing to conform to.

To accept that they are valid in doing so requires us to admit that many of our own guiding forces were actually just bullshit. We have to question why we are the way we are anew. If what they’re doing is strong, what we did, what we’re continuing to do, was weak.

When confronted with the idea that we were all just raised wrong and that much of what we collectively spend our time and energy stressing about is stupid and pointless, how many people do you know that will just shrug and say “oh well” and then move on with their lives? Easier to find an excuse to keep doing what you were already doing. “They’re just lying because they’re perverts that wanna cheat at sports.”

Some of these rich people are insidious and manipulative, no doubt, but the loud ones are usually just idiots no different from the uncle you don’t want to talk to except that being rich means they’re able to yell louder.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

My conjectures:

Musk: Trans kid who disowned him for being shitty so obvipusly it must be trans peoples fault and not his.

JKR: I firmly believe she's selfhating in the closet trans. The equivalent to the homophobic pastor who eventually gets caught with the choir boy. We just haven't seen the choirboy yet.

Zuck: Not transphobic, just a sociopath (at worst) who will go whatever way the wind blows.

[–] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

They are a fairly small group compared to other marginalized groups, and particularly vulnerable compared to others. There is already a lot of misinformation about them. Average people often dont run into them or understand them Well enough to make informed decisions. Its easy for billionaires and republicans to wield religion against them. They are often vocal about their beliefs. Intersectionality is also important (e.g. supporting and protecting other minority demographics' rights because it is the right thing to do, and tearing each other down is counterproductive) to them, which isnt always the case. Disappearing them sets an example and is a test run for setting up the infrastructure and means to take control. See: nazi germany with the deaf, and current marginalization by the trump administration of the trans and disabled communities.

[–] SeanBrently@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

I think this is an important part of the answer i don't see mentioned much. Lots of good answers that seem right to me, amd i think also because trans people are such a tiny part of the population, they are politically not very strong. Bullies always pick on those weaker.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

There are a lot of other good answers, but it seems worth remembering lots of poor powerless folks hate trans folks too.

Part of the reason they're coming after trans people is because it's human nature to hate or fear those you don't understand and who are different. A dark, and sad part of human nature, but part of human nature nonetheless

All the other stuff folks are talking about is also a true, but it's not like they're unique in their contempt for people who are different

Mostly a people to blame and for others to fear monger, it's a way to make people look the other way also, a common "enemy" instigated from the true enemy. And sense there is not a lot of trans people statistically it's hard for them to defend themselves. It's all about manipulation and control over the people

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I do wonder what their end game is. History surely will not look on them favourably, so who would want to be the villain on the world stage? Yes history is written by the victors, but only for a short while until the truths come out. I just can't understand why anyone would deliberately want to be on the wrong side of history.

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Products of their generation. As they die off others will take their place and society will move on to other groups to target.

Correlation is not causation.

Personally I just think they're just pandering some group of people who have real power to determine how money flows in a society and they happen to be right wing conservatives.

US democracy is collapsing and the future throne is probably already set and they might have inside information.

Like you said, trans people can't really do anything. Perfect target when you want to show where you are planning to stand.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

They may not be politicians but they spend money to get themselves into positions of political power as these few days have shown with Musk. And these people get most of their power from the masses that are dumb enough and bigoted enough to be swayed by a shared common hatred of groups to scapegoat for everything.

[–] Zikeji@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago

Because there are alot of ignorant people in the world afraid of what they perceive as different.

In your first two examples, regardless of not being politicians it's clear that by helping put politicians in power they benefit, so whether they genuinely care or not, it's just about money and lack of compassion to them. And continuing to drive class warfare continues to benefit them.

In your last example, I think that person is just in the ignorant and afraid of change category with an unfortunate amount of exposure.

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Rich/famous transphobes' voices are louder because they're rich, unfortunately. It's the same problem with every other awful opinion that rich/famous people have.

I do suspect though that it also has to do with social class and thinking that they are "above".

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

yeah may be it's just rich people having a louder voice . But trans existed for a long time, and we never heard so much vitriol against them until a few decade back

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