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Where generals apparently don't look at defense maps and see the biggest base in Greenland is American anyway... We already have troops there we're just being petulant about who gets the mineral rights.
If this is how the US acts when they are being petulant, I think we as Europeans should act quickly and start preparing for the worst and start moving troops. They are right now threatening with invasion I can't even fathom how they behave when they are down right belligerent.
They should and they have been since before the first trump presidential race.
@sucius1 it's a rather unique moment in history. Never before the Europeans as a whole were at odds with the US and thought that we need to do something to stop the US from acquiring new land from us.
Sure, they fought the Spanish to get states like Texas or California if I recall correctly (or maybe some other states from other colonial powers), but we never as a whole thought about teaming up to detter the US from doing something to us.
One consequence that I see is that if the Western Europeans decide to move on and really do something about Greenland, then they will also engage the Eastern Europeans to join, who are having a hard time with Russia. Might be a tit-for-tat move that everyone might benefit from.
They should first kick out the US Military Base out of Greenland.
Why do you let your unreliable partner/ soon to be potential enemy station troops in your territory ?
Makes no sense, if you need this base badly for security reasons, staff it with EU Armed Forces
@albert180 it's not so simple. It's not just the US base out there, it's the entire US infrastructure in Europe that is at stake. You cannot kick them in some place for being an enemy then do business as usual for the rest of the things. We kinda do have to wigh in the advantages and disadvantages of continuing to do business as usual and if the the cession of Greenland actually happens (in the worst case scenario), we should think what we should get in exchange (because Greenland is quite a high price to pay, not just for Denmark, in order to be an ally).
If we are not to leave the US get Greenland, then we should:
a. See what alternatives we can offer to the US to remain our ally.
b. What alternatives do we got to replace the US as an ally altogether.
itβs the entire US infrastructure in Europe that is at stake.
What kind of Infrastructure are you referring to? The Military one?
Under Trump being an Ally with the US doesn't mean much anymore. And if you need to give up your land, are they really an "ally" ?
@albert180 military, yes. And if they turn to no longer be an ally, then we will have a lot of work in replacing them in this regard. Think of the Aegis Ashore system in Romania and Poland, for instance. Or the Ramstein Air Base in Germany. Or the countless defense contracts for Abrams tanks, F35s etc. and parts for them.
Although it's more of an autonomous territory/colony for it, it seems like Denmark is firmly determined to keep Greenland and not bow to the pressure, just like is France in helping it. I think their strategy is to turn everything into a lose-lose game, which doesn't seem bad. Hope the orange dicktator will understand the message.
It does make sense. As the ice melts, the Arctic Ocean will become an ocean like any other. Trade routes will be used, and it would make sense to have troops up there to patrol the seas.
The peacemaker, the unifierβ¦
It really doesn't make any sense at all - there is nothing in this whole discussion that makes any sense at all!