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    Well, technically anywhere from 5 to 40, but I still have a nice chance to grow old before libreboot starts building. Also, still slower than dial-up.

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    [–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 85 points 2 months ago

    I'm imagining a 30 year old Pentium Pro server grinding away in a broom closet somewhere. It's next to the one still running the old Space Jam website.

    [–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    8 kbps should be enough for anyone

    [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I was happy as shit if I had a 4KB connection,back in the day. Hell, my first modem was a 28,800 baud. IE, a theoretical maximum speed of 3.6KB.

    [–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I had a 14.4 modem. I remember wanting a 33.6. Those were the days though. Simpler times.

    [–] tulliandar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

    Before I ever had a modem I’d go to a buddy’s house because his dad had a 300 baud acoustic coupler for work. I think the first modem I bought for myself 9600 baud

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    The speeds are listed in kbauds though.

    [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    You know, I'm not sure if you're joking or not.

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I’m not. kbps === kbauds.

    [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    They listed the speed in kilobits per second. kbps isn't short for kilo "baud"

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    What do you think a baud is if not a bit per second?

    [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    It's how fast a signal is capable of changing state per second.

    It's a switching speed. Not a transfer rate.

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    You started comparing kB/s to kbauds. Now you’ve started a dishonest argument (moving goal posts). Have a nice life.

    [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

    Lol. You're just too confused. I was comparing them, because a 28,000 baud modem happens to have a max transfer rate of 3.6 KB. I can't help it that you don't know what you're taking about.

    [–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Just keep your code under 8 kb. Honestly bloat if you can't do that /s

    [–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    It would still take 8 seconds to download.

    [–] ccdfa@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
    [–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Well... The original meme is in kbps (kilobits per second or kilobaud). The quoted speeds for the tech seem to line up with kbps and not kB/s, so I think this is the intent.

    8 bits = 1 byte, so in this specific example it was very easy to convert 8 kbps to 1 kB/s to determine that it would take 8 seconds to download an 8 kB file.

    Maybe secret300 meant a 8 kilobit file, they did use lowercase 'b' afterall πŸ™‚.

    [–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Guix user pains. The packages download at that speed.

    It's a tossup whether downloading Librewolf or building it will take longer

    [–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    Yeah, one of the reasons I moved t440p back to nixos :/

    [–] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

    It's a bit of a problem that there's no serious contender to NixOS. Especially Guix is in a good position to become an alternative.

    But it will never happen, because of GNU. And before I continue, I want to make clear that this is not to shit on them.

    But realistically, only a fork could make it relevant. NixOS, despite its issues (documentation, flakes, whatever), has a massive mindshare: it's a huge repository with very up-to-date packages, a lot of modules, and devshells are just a very handy thing for developers. You often find flakes in random GitHub repositories for that reason. There are sponsored efforts around the distribution (like lanzaboote). There are (semi-)commercial entities set up around it (numtide, determinate systems, tweag...)

    The difference between NixOS and Guix is probably so large that no commercial provider would want to put in the required work to bring Guix up to speed, and GNU is committed to other values. As such, I think only a very big volunteer effort could make a difference.

    [–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

    Once upon a time I mirrored Project Gutenberg. As this was a pain having only 64kbit over ISDN, I was expecting great things from attending a LAN party where we actually had Ethernet speed connection to the internet.

    When I started my mirroring script, though, it was not faster than at home. Turned out that the mirror host limited connections to clients in unknown networks to 64kbit.

    Luckily I found another mirror host that had no such limits.

    [–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

    Try to use the Internet from UPC Slovakia. It's going very slowly.

    [–] neox_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Libreboot?! It's not on Savannah. But perhaps you meant GNU Boot

    [–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    They use grub and gnulib. Well, I could've also re-configured it to use only seabios but decided it'd be fun to play with grub as a payload.

    [–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
    [–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

    Smth like GNU's development server. More like development potato, tho