askchapo

I'm more on the side of Maoist third-worldism. The Great Satan is the bad guy. Sure, the bourgeoisie is loyal to their class first and in the event I'm proven wrong they'd jump ship, but by and large it cannot fail because the US government is the ultimate vehicle against socialism. Global south countries will have to liberate first, and hopefully BRICS with China being the ringleader can form it into a tool for socialism with Cuba joining up.

As far as my information will tell me, the best case scenario for socialism in burgerland is if colonized people rise up and form an opposing state. But as others have said, the US simply would be something else entirely.

after the empire collapses and after the failure of the fascist regime that takes power after the collapse

In or about I think it was the summer of 2051 in my future fiction project. In the present day we're seeing in real time the collapse of US hegemony overseas; by the late 2030s internal conflicts within the USA's bourgeoisie about how to save the empire, end up causing a second civil war, triggering mass flight from the USA primarily to Europe and Australasia; the 2040s then see many of those who left the USA during the war returning to work in postwar reconstruction, the USA's relevance abroad completely dead and buried, and the experiences of these returning refugees leaving them thoroughly disillusioned. This is what allows for the emergence of a revolutionary industrial proletariat in the USA, with enough strength to end the bourgeois dictatorship once and for all.

I don't think a revolution is likely to happen until the US itself is basically beaten by the rest of the world. I think it's likely the US is headed into a period of barbarism and humiliation before we see anything like a socialist revolution. The deteriorating conditions and the federal government's complete abandonment of governing could, and i think will, provide the pressure that will force peoole to overcome atomization. Atomization is the greatest impediment to socialism right now. It is so deeply ingrained that it is frankly going to have to be beaten out of people by experiencing a bit of the horror the US has been inflicting since before its founding. This combined with the weakening of US global power and the rise in power and legitimacy (in Westoid eyes) of the PRC is going to make socialism look like a winner to enough people to start things moving toward genuine socialist revolution.

The only things that upsets my projection is climate change, i can't really account for how its going to disrupt things, how quickly, when or where in the specific ways that ots going to happen. The other is the US doing a first strike, which could happen and would obviously be devastating.

Never

It wont happen with the US in its current form. Climate change is absolutely the only hope now. Ideals such as American exceptionalism are key parts that can't be changed. American democracy is very close to a real religion and its not subject to external pressure from other countries or cultures.

The only way forward is destroying the very fabric of American life, ideals and society in a way that forces specially the younger generation to realize they must change the world otherwise they'll die rather soon. However even that is of questionable hope, younger generations are already disillusioned today. Everyone already understands they'll never own a home or even retire. Humanity as a whole is already behaving like frogs in the boiling water. Everyone knows of the disaster or realize something is going wrong, everyone is unhappy and miserable, yet there is no alternative, ever.

Sadly though we only have a few years left, none of this will actualy happen anyway because people will think of the shortest path to survival. Ecofascism and expansion of American influence while everyone else gets crushed or do their own little bit of carving up the global south for themselves(BRICS is somewhat like this).

So I'd say it wont ever happen, but if it could happen, climate change seems like the only real strong enough force to change American society to the core. However even assuming that I also can't jump to wishful thinking that humanity will survive climate change and we will emerge as communists as a result, rather the opposite realy so idk.

Never. The closest you'd get in the US is Nazbol shit. Literqlly too much racism for anything else.

Never

It's an exercise in futility to predict revolutions. Lenin didn't expect a recognition in his lifetime in 1917. History moves fast enough so any numbers in this thread are analy sourced at best.

Domestic proletariat seizing the state? Without any discontinuities like world war or climate change or balkanization, 2150 at the very earliest, but possibly never.

Proletarian elements establishing stealth enclaves that make the details of the government much less relevant? This coming decade.

I know which one of these I'm aiming for.

2217 at this rate.

Because at that point the USA will likely not exist, and the centuries of reactionary society will hopefully be weakened. 21st century? Seems too far off, but I'd think it would only happen at the collapse of their empire, so maybe this century? idk there would be a massive fascist/liberal reaction against any mass movement for the working class.