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I am a long term GrapheneOS user and would like to talk about it. r/privacy on the redditland blocks custom OS discussions which I think is very bad for user privacy, and I hope this post will be useful to anyone who are in the hunt for better privacy.

Nowadays smartphones are a much bigger threats to our privacy and Desktop systems, and unfortunately manufacturers has designed them to be locked down devices with no user freedom. You can't just "install Linux" on most smartphones and it is horrible. And most preloaded systems spy on us like crazy. That was why I specifically bought a pixel and loaded GOS onto it.

According to https://grapheneos.org/features , they start from base AOSP's latest version, imptoves upon it's security and significantly hardens it. There's hardened_malloc to.prevent against exploitation, disabling lots of debugging features, disabling USB-c data, hardening the Linux kernel and system apps etc. They even block accessing the hardware identifiers of the phone so that apps cannot detect whqt phone you're using. That means with Tor and zero permissions given, apps are anonymous.

Compatibility with apps are best in Custom ROMs but there are still that can't work, especially if they enforce device integrity. Very few apps usually enforce that tho. Also their community isn't the friendliest but you can get help. Just don't try and engage too much or have too many debates.

Anyone else here use GrapheneOS, or any other privacy ROMs? What is your experience? Do you disagree on any point? Let's have a discussion!

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[-] nicomachus@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago
[-] snrkl@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

I've been using it on multiple devices for multiple years.

It works for me, and every app in want to use works. I've found that when they don't, it almost always is broken on the stock OS also.

[-] theroff@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

I use GrapheneOS but I don't like how Google Play-centric it is. It is geared towards people installing their "normal" apps with the GrapheneOS special sauce sandboxing. No F-Droid by default where all of the FOSS apps are.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 week ago

By default there is nothing, it's a blank slate. It's up to you to decide what apps to use.

[-] bruzzard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Agreed. The Google implementations are there for folks who absolutely cannot go without certain apps only available from the Play Store. Upon installation, all that's there is the OS with the necessary apps (camera, phone, browser, etc) with the security on these individual apps additionally patched.

With the sandboxing of Google Play and Services AND the option to further house these apps from the Play Store in a separate profile, you have a perfectly working device that the individual user can customise to their needs.

Its a great project and a real asset to the FOSS, privacy and security community against big tech/govt surveillance.

The phone is only as good as how you choose to set it up and use it.

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[-] Darth_Vader__@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

They are very security fovused and is against f-droid's poor security practices. They do push accrescent through their stores tho

[-] root@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I had daily drove it for years, but recently started testing the water with iOS. Still have GOS on my secondary devices though.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I've been using a Fairphone with /e/os. No Google at all. Rooted with Magisk. MicroG to run apps that need Google services. Everything I need works.

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[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago

How do you find it as a daily driver in terms of QoL features such as banking apps and payments etc?

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[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 week ago

It's great, but it drains my battery like hell, (with three profiles: default, google-ser-ices and owner... don't know if that's still recommended)

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