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About a year ago I switched to ZFS for Proxmox so that I wouldn't be running technology preview.

Btrfs gave me no issues for years and I even replaced a dying disk with no issues. I use raid 1 for my Proxmox machines. Anyway I moved to ZFS and it has been a less that ideal experience. The separate kernel modules mean that I can't downgrade the kernel plus the performance on my hardware is abysmal. I get only like 50-100mb/s vs the several hundred I would get with btrfs.

Any reason I shouldn't go back to btrfs? There seems to be a community fear of btrfs eating data or having unexplainable errors. That is sad to hear as btrfs has had lots of time to mature in the last 8 years. I would never have considered it 5-6 years ago but now it seems like a solid choice.

Anyone else pondering or using btrfs? It seems like a solid choice.

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[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Raid 5/6, only bcachefs will solve it

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[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 weeks ago

I am using btrfs on raid1 for a few years now and no major issue.

It's a bit annoying that a system with a degraded raid doesn't boot up without manual intervention though.

Also, not sure why but I recently broke a system installation on btrfs by taking out the drive and accessing it (and writing to it) from another PC via an USB adapter. But I guess that is not a common scenario.

[-] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago

The whole point of RAID redundancy is uptime. The fact that btrfs doesn't boot with a degraded disk is utterly ridiculous and speaks volumes of the developers.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago

For my jbod array, I use ext4 on gpt partitions. Fast efficient mature.

For anything else I use ext4 on lvm thinpools.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Meh. I run proxmox and other boot drives on ext4, data drives on xfs. I don't have any need for additional features in btrfs. Shrinking would be nice, so maybe someday I'll use ext4 for data too.

I started with zfs instead of RAID, but I found I spent way too much time trying to manage RAM and tuning it, whereas I could just configure RAID 10 once and be done with it. The performance differences are insignificant, since most of the work it does happens in the background.

You can benchmark them if you care about performance. You can find plenty of discussion by googling "ext vs xfs vs btrfs" or whichever ones you're considering. They haven't changed that much in the past few years.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

but I found I spent way too much time trying to manage RAM and tuning it,

I spent none, and it works fine. what was your issue?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

I have four 6tb data drives and 32gb of RAM. When I set them up with zfs, it claimed quite a few gb of RAM for its cache. I tried allocating some of the other NVMe drive as cache, and tried to reduce RAM usage to reasonable levels, but like I said, I found that I was spending a lot of time fiddling instead of just configuring RAID and have it running just fine in much less time.

[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 weeks ago

You can ignore the RAM usage, it's just cache. It uses up to half your RAM by default but if other things need it zfs will just clear RAM for that to happen.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

That might be what was supposed to happen, but when I started up the VMs I saw memory contention.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 weeks ago

Proxmox only supports btrfs or ZFS

Or at least that's what I thought

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[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I run it now because I wanted to try it. I haven't had any issues. A friend recommended it as a stable option.

[-] tfowinder@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Used it in development environment, well I didn't need the snapshot feature and it didn't have a straightforward swap setup, it lead to performance issues because of frequent writes to swap.

Not a big issue but annoyed me a bit.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Do you rely on snapshotting and journaling? If so backup your snapshots.

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[-] Lem453@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Btrfs only has issues with raid 5. Works well for raid 1 and 0. No reason to change if it works for you

[-] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago

I think it has more issues than just with raid 5 &6!

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