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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Othello@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

people are saying such shitty things about me. ill probably delete this, but can some of my comrades just give me a pep talk if your up to in. I know logically I love this place and this is a bad day, but I cant stop crying, i do so much work going out, doing mutual aid, supporting union drives, working with the dsa and psl ect and it doesn't fucking matter because as soon as I vent about the class of people who are giving me a hard time IM somehow stopping racial solidarity from happening. it hurts so bad and makes everything feel so pointless. i feel so disposable. im not gonna debate anyone i just want to chat with nice comrades who care. im actually crying hard over internet shit maybe its my sign to leave.

edit: THANK YOU for the out pouring of love comrade, here, in my dms, and on cytube. I LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH. I will be staying. I will be taking a break after this sundays fanon post (its the last one and BEST chapter hope i can see you there) but I shall return even more powerful than before. you guys are amazing thank you again to everyone committed to making this a safe space for BIPOC people to express themselves.

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[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

It is a reality of this site being hugely white by proportion as @AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net mentions, and being confronted about the reality of POC’s life experiences doesn’t always go over well, even here. I understand how it wears one down and can’t blame you at all for feeling this way, but you’ve been a great voice here I think. I hope Hexbear can work on purging this shit because this is the same hostility and dismissal that’s too common outside of spaces that claim to be safe and understanding. And to find the same here…?

Your posts are always insightful imo. It feels like there aren’t a lot of voices speaking about black experiences and struggles here and I’m glad you’re doing so. It’s not easy to dismiss when you receive it but please don’t let those shitters get you down.

[-] RagingGingivitis@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

to every :LIB: upset at you discussing whiteness:

anti-cracker-aktion

also I hope you reported all those crackers so the mods nuke their asses

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Fanon is cool and so are you.

Craackkkers gotta do some self-crit

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To preface this: I am white.

To any white people who are even slightly upset about anti-white sentiment, ironic or unironic: you need to get the FUCK over yourself. Read The Wretched of the Earth, Open Veins of Latin America, How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, Divided World Divided Class, White Malice, Late Victorian Holocausts, Unequal Exchange, Neo-Colonialism, The Wages of Whiteness, and a thousand other books until it fucking sinks in.

Every "white" country on Earth (barring maybe a few of the most backward European states) is parasitic. All siphon wealth from the non-white world into the white world, both externally and internally. They then distribute this money, to a very large extent, on the basis of race.

This means that race is a factor in class. That's why the most useless and anti-revolutionary tendencies of Communism all come out of Europe. You can see this fracture play out in every "white" nation. Even the "radical" white population breaks solidarity with the colonial population. White labor unions rejecting PoC, white Communist parties failing to grasp the race question and behaving chauvinistically, white "radicals" turning against anti-colonial fighters.

In light of this history, this class dynamic, and the ongoing racial depravity, to chide PoCs for "undermining solidarity" is the height of arrogance and chauvinism. Get the fuck over yourself. Unless you want to hand over the 90% of your material comfort that you owe to the accident of your place of birth and skin color, shut the fuck up.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

And that's barely even touching on anything superstructural. Given this apparent material base of white parasitism, it's obvious to see why we live in the world of white supremacy that we do. White people have identified, on a conscious or unconscious level, that they effectively constitute a class. The disdain, domination, disgust, discrimination, and disregard that nobles manifest toward their serfs can be seen in the way white people treat PoCs.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Given all this, both the morally correct and "historically progressive" position are the same. To bring about global revolution, we must attack the systems of Imperialism, Neo-Colonialism, and Unequal Exchange that have kept the Global South oppressed and the Global North content, and the system of racism that harms and exploits internal colonial populations. Compradors will lose their control, Imperialists will be unable to muster the resources they need for dominance, and white people will suddenly feel quite a lot of urgency in finding an alternative to Capitalism.

To /u/Othello: you're very cool, I hope you stick around, and I'm sorry for hijacking your post. I hope it's an acceptable subject and perspective.

[-] TankieCatgirl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Full disclosure, I'm white, so I don't have any direct experience with racism, but I am trans, disabled, and poor, so I do have some experience with oppression. That said, fuck people who demand oppressed people always remain civil and never express anything negative, lest their precious oppresser fee-fees get hurt. We're allowed to be fucking angry and tired of shit. We should be allowed to fucking vent without worrying about "allies" getting pissy. Solidarity comes from the top down. It needs to be unconditional. And it shouldn't depend on the oppressed being nice to their oppressors.

Sending you lots of love and solidarity, comrade. trans-heart

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

The fundamental problem is that Hexbear (and the rest of the Anglo social media sites) is it's filled with mayos who have never dealt with people who have skin color darker than a sheet of paper. This is how you get people here making asinine jokes that replacing c/k with kkk is somehow "standard Maoist English." Like, just how fucking out of touch are you? At this point, Hexbear (and every other Lemmy instance where a European language is used) will never not be awkward about race. I don't blame you or any other POC for quitting Hexbear because the amount of mayos is off-putting. I'm not sure how POC accounts can feel welcome here if those racist crackers at that other thread haven't been banned yet. Those bigoted losers would be long gone if they were saying transphobic shit, but they still get to keep their accounts for being racist shitheads. Why the double standard?

The only way for a POC-friendly social media site to take off is if doxxing your face is build in to the social media site itself, whether through technological or social means. Black Twitter works because there's the social understanding that if your avi isn't your Black face, you're not really Black. Black Reddit works because mods require people to show their arm with their username written on it. Outside of those little pockets where you have to doxx yourself or learning a non-European language in order to use that language's social media sites, there's really no hope for any POC to feel safe or welcome.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Agreed, if that thread has taught me anything today, it's to be more weary of some folks on this site, caught a whole lot of 'smuggling whiteness through the leftie backdoor' vibes, also that "assume good faith" bullshit some have been peddling lately is not going to fly with me anymore, the one time I decide to play it all nice and patient and a comrade still gets hurt, fuck that

[-] happyandhappy@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

ive personally really enjoyed seeing all of your contributions and i feel like you are genuinely trying to make this site a nicer place. idk what went down but id be sad to see you go meow-hug

it'll probably be good to take a break for bit, which is always nice in its own way. this should be a place where you enjoy spending your time and if that's not happening you should be doing those things instead trans-heart

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

idk what went down

I said i hate white people after reading some of the most heinous modern day nazi shit imaginable. and now people are saying things like (im paraphrasing so i dont have to unblock people)

"this person is probably white" they said that after someone told them I was not white. "othello is whats stopping racial solidarity" "Othello believes the same things that nazis believe" "why do you want to hurt white people othello" shit like that. like im actually being compared to the people who want me dead. why? because I check notes RECOGNIZE RACE AS A REAL THING THAT EFFECTS MY LIFE

i think youre right im gonna try to step back, maybe just hang out in cytube till i feel better.

[-] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Any white who can't handle the meager amount of criticism that is provided by you and this forum will fall in line with the fascists the moment they get pushback from libs. Just anti-communists in the making. Fuck them.

[-] learn3code@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yep, extremely thin skin that will inevitably get scratched. There was a mini struggle session near me because a chinese restaurant said that white people were ordering wrong, as in this is an entree that's not an entree. Just incredible stuff lol.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Other "races" don't need to have racial solidarity with us Cum Skins, its the other fucking way around. We gotta realize, even if we aren't directly responsible with out own fucking hands, its not their job to support "white" people. Its the white's duty to support them in their causes and liberation.

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One poster in particular in that thread can go fuck themselves, but honestly I feel a huge Fuucck all you to the upvoters and other posters whining about "but you're alienating your white allies" bullshit.

Don't let these assholes drive you out, or define your relationship with yourself, much less this site. Don't internalize your anger, externalize it and know that the problem is them.

By all means take a break, cool off, or retract from Hexbear a bit and block c/dunk_tank if you must to filter the pornography of outrage.

Fuck tempest in particular though.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Who was mean to you I will end them owl-pissed

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

temptest and tuga were the ones who upset me . they got their comments removed now. still hurts. Especially when people accuse me of being white (the worst insult lol) or compare me to nazis in a round about way

[-] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

I missed whatever happened earlier, but if anybody on this site has a problem with Fanon then they can fight me (and the same goes for George Jackson)

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it wasnt fanon they had a problem with it was me. i said that white people who weren't comrades were my enemy in reaction to libs calling for concentration camps. now im being compared to a nazi. the Fanon thing is because im in charge of posting the fanon threads in the theory comm. this sunday is the last one and I would never abscond my responsibility.. if not for me for fanon.

[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

That's an objectively correct position though, like materially, socially, spiritually, etc. James Cone said if God is white, we should kill him. He's right and so are you

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

sounds like I need to enter the cone zone

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

JRPGs may have had the right idea about white-coded gods all along. ecoterrorism

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

We need a transcomrade69 but for racism

[-] Sandinband@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

I'm genuinely convinced this site will never allow that.

Half my reports for racism are ignored and the white people on this site are not interested in listening to poc, they are the exact same as the radlibs who get their politics from posts and refuse to read any theory or educate themselves on racism while laughing at the libs who do the same for communism

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago
[-] Sandinband@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

I want it to be different but half the time it isn't worth pushing back against the casual or overt racism here because its 90% white and whites just don't fucking care about actually dismantling white supremacy

The radical poc leave this site because it is a lot to deal with especially seeing the double standard there is for transphobia vs racism

[-] HighOnCopium@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

This x100. I came here because I thought it would be a safe space for POC to talk about their experiences without the gaslighting and invalidation from whites, but just being here for a few months I could already tell that this site is predominantly white and is no better than Reddit for POC

[-] Sandinband@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

My partner is Black and I've told them to not bother joining the site even though I know they'd provide a unique perspective. Its one thing to argue with out right racists who are open about their bigotry but another to see people making fun of white libs and conservatives for their racism and then do their own white leftist dogwhistles like I dont fucking know what they're doing

I was raised by white adopters so I can tolerate white bs better than most poc but still I regularly need to leave the site for a couple of months because its exhausting

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Can you give some examples of white leftist dogwhistles?

[-] Sandinband@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Foaming at the mouth when poc mention cultural appropriation or any other form of racism that they, as a white person, don't think "counts" or doesn't matter. Also refusing to listen to poc about why things are racist even if they, a white person, dont think it is

Using mock ebonics to be "funny"

Acting as if poc are inherently more bigoted or more reactionary.

The constant bad faith interpretations of poc pointing out the double standards for whites vs poc

Responding to poc discussing how being marginalized doesn't prevent white people from being racist by claiming theyre "putting 'white' in front of blatantly (insert bigotry here) statements to avoid criticism" when the statement is referring to specific behaviors belonging to white marginalized people. ex: white women tears in response to being called out for racism or poc not tolerating their microagressions, white trans people claiming that trans poc are actually being transphobic because they won't let racist "jokes" slide just because theyre from a trans person, white disabled people refusing to acknowledge that disabled poc face more hurdles due to systemic racism in Healthcare and the history of segregation like in deaf schools (which led to Black people having to create their own forms of sign language), etc etc

Bringing up Candace Owens when poc say to listen to them about issues that effect their communities

Centering discussions of USAmerican vets around the white man's ptsd from committing murder and raping poc overseas

To Othello: You are super cool and I really appreciate reading what you have to say. I really appreciate your perspective and all you give to this community. I hope the rest of us can make this a good enough place for you to stay. You deserve a good place where your comrades have your back. [/gen, angry on your behalf, hoping you stay]

To the white fragile people who were being assholes to Othello,: Raise your fucking standards for yourself. Read. Learn. Don't take out your fragility and big feelings about race on black people. Do you feel upset when a black person expresses feelings about race? Do some reading about the history of racism. Do some emotional work. Don't turn your ignorance and your feelings into a burden for black people. Don't take out your insecurities, your anger, your fragility, your fear on black people. Deal with it yourself. If you don't have the tools, find them. Research. Learn. And if you don't have the energy for that, then shut the fuck up.

To my fellow white people on this site: We have to do better about defending our black, indigenous, and people of color comrades on this site. Yes, it takes work to learn, it takes time and energy and discomfort and going outside of our comfort zones. But we have to do that work, and we have to do a better job. We have to collectively create a site where our black, indigenous, and people of color comrades feel safe, where they know we'll be there for them and have their backs. It's fun to shitpost, and shitposting is an important part of the culture here too. But we also have to do ongoing work to make it so that when we see racism, we notice it, and call it out. It might take the mods a while to get to delete and ban racism, but we should be there to back our comrades up and make racists feel unwelcome. An important part of leftism is making sure that we have spaces that feel good for our comrades to be in. We need to be able to create and maintain spaces that are supportive. With the federations having happened, there's been somewhat of a focus on bringing leftism to other communities, educating outsiders etc, but we also have to remember that gaining numbers by bringing in outsiders is not the only factor affecting numbers. If we bring in assholes, and then they drive out people from minority groups, then we haven't actually gained anything good. We need to create spaces where our black, indigenous, and people of color comrades can stay. And from my digging to try to figure out what this was all about, it sounds like some (or all? not sure) of the users harassing Othello were from inside hexbear. So we need to do better. We need to go out of our way to do the emotional work, educate ourselves, and actively look for racism on the site so we can stamp it out.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The second bit made me remember one of the things I saw in that thread that made me the most angry. Using that one Sankara quote against poc users saying "actually you have to educate me, Sankara said so smuglord " is so goddamn toxic. A white person weaponizing a famous dead black man's words against a living black person today is never a good look.

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